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Default Vandersloot wanted in Peru

Just saw an article on line that states Joran Vandersloot is wanted for questioning in the stabbing death of a 21 year old woman in a hotel in Lima Peru. The girls father said vandersloot was seen in video with his daughter at a Lima casino. Also information received by police shows the woman had been spending time with Vandersloot. The body was found sunday night and Vandersloot left Peru on monday morning. Evidently he entered Peru from Columbia and left into Chile.
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yes, that is true. it seems interpol is involved with an international search for him.

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Just saw an article on line that states Joran Vandersloot is wanted for questioning in the stabbing death of a 21 year old woman in a hotel in Lima Peru. The girls father said vandersloot was seen in video with his daughter at a Lima casino. Also information received by police shows the woman had been spending time with Vandersloot. The body was found sunday night and Vandersloot left Peru on monday morning. Evidently he entered Peru from Columbia and left into Chile.
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The story just posted on my MSN homepage.....mighty mysterious? Not surprising to me he is involved in something like this!
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"Innocent Until Proven Guilty" may not be the Dutch way.
But this guy seems to act in a way where he may eventually be proven guilty in one court or another.
I am still sad that the NH family waged a war against Aruba.
St. Thomas and the USVI (US possessions) have many more homicides than Aruba.
The homicide rate comes close to Orlando. If people were aware, they might boycott Disney (IMHO).
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thank you john! i totally agree with you.

their court system is one that our court system is based on. it is a dignified system that has worked well for many hundreds of years. because the law demands certain proofs, there was little they could do. so sadly, there is no closure for either side so far in the NH situation. maybe this horrible event will help get us closer to the truth. terrible that it has to come to this but without proof there is nothing.

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"Innocent Until Proven Guilty" may not be the Dutch way.
But this guy seems to act in a way where he may eventually be proven guilty in one court or another.
I am still sad that the NH family waged a war against Aruba.
St. Thomas and the USVI (US possessions) have many more homicides than Aruba.
The homicide rate comes close to Orlando. If people were aware, they might boycott Disney (IMHO).
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Why am I not surprised??? The sociopath resurfaces. Hopefully Peru will be able to stick him with this crime.....sorry for the harsh pre-judgement but I will NEVER forgive him for what he did to Natalie, her family and Aruba.....I feel so bad for Mrs. Van der Sloot also.....just a mess all the way around!

I mean seriously how many people in their life end up being a prime suspect in not one but two murders .............personally I strongly believe he had everything to do with both crimes. Hotel room registered in his name that the murdered girl was found in.......oh I pray this time he pays for what he did to both girls......

Sherry, totally understand if you need to nix this post......I am just so irritated that he has been free all this time and now another beautiful life has been snuffed out, with him being in the vicinity !
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darling, no nixing. i am allowing comments and opinions. what i won't allow is vile blaming of aruba or arubans for something that was not of their making.

imho, i totally agree with what you said and i feel sorry for both families, aruba, and most of all natalee who was a victim of someone that we all agree probably was joran van der sloot. no one is to blame but the culprit.

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Why am I not surprised??? The sociopath resurfaces. Hopefully Peru will be able to stick him with this crime.....sorry for the harsh pre-judgement but I will NEVER forgive him for what he did to Natalie, her family and Aruba.....I feel so bad for Mrs. Van der Sloot also.....just a mess all the way around!

I mean seriously how many people in their life end up being a prime suspect in not one but two murders .............personally I strongly believe he had everything to do with both crimes. Hotel room registered in his name that the murdered girl was found in.......oh I pray this time he pays for what he did to both girls......

Sherry, totally understand if you need to nix this post......I am just so irritated that he has been free all this time and now another beautiful life has been snuffed out, with him being in the vicinity !
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Here's a creppy fact: This new murder occurred two years to the day that Joran killed Natalie !

I have heard that Peruvian jails are horrible places to be.....I remember the Lori Berenson case of 1995 (she is a U.S. citizen that was found guilty of aiding a leftist group in Peru and sentenced to 15 years in a Peruvian jail) her parents and news outlets described cold mountain high jails, with horrible conditions.....can't think of better place for a two time killer......

Where has he been getting all his money to travel the world....Aruba to Holland to Thailand and now South America.....???? Oh well, his traveling will be coming to an end soon.....hasta la vista sucker !

Thanks Sherry for allowing me to vent !

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My bad, I meant to say this new murdered occurred 5 years ago to the day that Natalie Holloway was killed.....May 30, 2005 and now May 30, 2010.
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Oh well, his traveling will be coming to an end soon.....hasta la vista sucker !
I'm going to temper any comments I'd like to make, and just say that I hope you're right, Claudia!
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Wow, of all days for me not to have access to a computer. Wasn't even near a television so this comes as a complete surprise. Unbelievable. Funny, just last night I was surfing channels for something to watch and I saw the last 30 seconds of some show with NH's mother. But I couldn't figure out if it was old stuff or something new. All I heard was her telling teenage girls to be careful, it could happen to you. And that was the end of the show. Can't wait til they catch this guy. I wonder how the all the countries he's hopping to will handle things, or how they can handle things according to law. Of course I believe in our diginified system of law. But honestly, it's too good for the likes of this beast.
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news just in and i am hoping it's right:

[Updated at 1:13 p.m.] Joran van der Sloot has been arrested and is in police custody in Santiago, Chile, an Interpol spokesperson in Santiago told CNN.
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Joran just arrested in Santiago Chile. If he's convicted, this will be justice better served for N.H. and family. There are NO Prisons worse than Prisons from Mexico to South America. He will wish he was caught and tried on Aruba.
Can you say , Blonde , Blue eyed Boy in a South American Prison.
The only prayer of survival that he'll have is a corrupt Goverment where he will buy his way out or to become some guys "best friend" No matter what, it's gonna cost Him!
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My Condolances to the Stephany Flores-Ramirez and family. Her parents are also Politicaly connected and her father is considered a national heroe. He is famous race car driver in Peru. Joran will probably pay with his life this time.

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Yes indeed, Chili has just informed that they have Joran in custody. He will be extradited to Peru. The Peruvian police say that they have very strong forensic evidence against him (his skin under the girls nails).

On the news in Holland they are speculating that perhaps he will now confess what happened to Natalee as well. That way Holland can ask for his extradition and convict him for the NH disappearance. If I was Peru I would say, "sure you can have him, in 20 years when he finished his sentence here".
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I wonder how many different versions he'll tell "this time around." Being thrown into a south American jail will make him wish he told the truth in Aruba!

I'm sad for another family, another young girl whose life was cut short, and elated that hopefully Joran will get his just dessert.
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Chile: capture alleged murderer of Peruvian
12:14Joran Van Der Sloot and the author is accused of killing Flores Stephany last weekend.

Police stopped in Santiago Chile citizen Joran Van Der Sloot Netherlands (23), accused in our country to be the alleged murderer of Stephany Flores (21), daughter of the famous race car driver and businessman Ricardo Flores.

Van Der Sloot had beaten to death the girl in a hotel in Miraflores, after meeting at a popular casino Lima.

The efforts of the detectives focused on Putre sector in the highlands and the desert, after confirmation that he had entered through the border crossing Chacalluta, according to the newspaper El Mercurio, Chile . At the time of his capture, the Dutchman was heading toward Viña del Mar, on board a taxi.


The Dutchman, who had legally entered Chile by car from passing Chacalluta in the far north, was arrested on Highway 68, which connects Santiago with the cities of Valparaiso and Vina del Mar, the sources said.
The detainee, they added, was taken to the barracks "Burgundy" from the PDI to be identified, pending the arrival of an international arrest warrant to carry out its delivery to the Peruvian authorities.


http://gestion.pe/noticia/489289/chile-capturan-santiago-presunto-asesino-peruana
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Sandra,
You make a good point on hoping to be extradited out of Peru, but , judging by The Ramirez family's clout in Peru, he will be there for the rest of his life. Not only that, if you have seen the show " Locked up Abroad ", you see the way the system works in S.A. in general. Guilty until proven innocent. I dont know their judicial system, but thats the way it is depicted on that show. In this case, I hope its true.
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Makes you wonder if there are other cases of unsolved missing or dead young women in the places Joran has been. He does seem to get around.
If I were INTERPOL I would go back over his travels to see if there are any links to missing/dead/unsolved homicides that coincide with his visits.
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ok everyone... it's finally, after 5 years, time to vent. we must understand that he is 'innocent until proven guilty' but, i get the strange feeling that this time he isn't going to come away clean and free.

don't attack each other (disagree without ignorance), keep it in one thread, don't insult aruba for following the law of the land.

now have at it!
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In the news just now they said that he can be held in pre-arrest for up to 36 months before ever being brought to trial.
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ok everyone... it's finally, after 5 years, time to vent. we must understand that he is 'innocent until proven guilty' but, i get the strange feeling that this time he isn't going to come away clean and free.

don't attack each other (disagree without ignorance), keep it in one thread, don't insult aruba for following the law of the land.

now have at it!
Well stated Sherry....you are the voice of reason! Thank you!
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In the news just now they said that he can be held in pre-arrest for up to 36 months before ever being brought to trial.
You can bet Stephany's father , Ricardo Flores ( Twice Presidential Candidate of Peru ) will see to it he does serious time. It's not a matter of him being charged yet, it just a matter of when LOL
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sounds reasonable to me.

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The information I got is that Joran is formally still not arrested but "kept".

Once the actual arrest warrants are in Chilean hands, he'll be brought to the Peru border after which the formal arrest will take place.
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The information I got is that Joran is formally still not arrested but "kept".

Once the actual arrest warrants are in Chilean hands, he'll be brought to the Peru border after which the formal arrest will take place.
"Kept" away from the general population
I heard it could or will take up to 48 hrs. to extradite him.
He's lucky Interpol is involved there.
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I am so sad to hear of another young girl's life being taken and yet I was so excited to receive my CNN alert today at work letting me know Joran had been captured. I actually let out a big woo hoo making co-workers wonder if I had finally gone over the deep end not knowing what I was so excited about.

I agree with Arubabob and wonder too, where has he been and who has gone missing or unsolved murders.

I also feel very sorry for Joran's Mom. Is she still living in Aruba?
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And the news just keeps getting better !!!!!

The idiot is now being charged by the U.S, for extortion ! The idiot on May 10 contacted an individual in Birmingham, Ala and had them send him 15K to a bank in the Netherlands and told the individual that once 250K had been sent he would tell the individual where Natalie's body could be found and how she died.....STING operation by the USA !!!! Not that we will ever get him to prosecute him, at least not in the near future......but adding charges to his long long future is fine with me.......

Here is the link to the CBS News article about the charge.

Van der Sloot Charged in U.S. with Extortion - Crimesider - CBS News

People in Peru say that Peru has NO AGREEMENT with the Netherlands for transfer of Dutch Nationals to serve their time in the Netherlands and Peru vows to make him serve his full sentence in Peru, 12,500 feet altitude in one of their famous jails, no glass on the windows, freezing temps at night all year long, a hole in the floor as their toilet, and 30 mins aday outside of the cell.....SOUNDS FAIR TO ME CONSIDERING WHAT HE HAS DONE......and I bet Interpol will be looking for more victims, as I am willing to bet you there are more young ladies he has killed.
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Thanks seashell, his "US attorney" has been referenced on the news and I was just starting to look around to see why. Extortion. Well I guess he had to finance his globe trotting adventure somehow. I feel so sorry for the families who lost their loved ones. On the flip side, I'm doing a merry jig that he finally gets what's coming to him.
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In the past twenty-four hours I have been surfing the channels looking for any and all news on Joran and his latest alleged crime. Hearing all the news about what hopefully awaits Joran in the Peruvian justice system brings solace. I pray for both young ladies whose lives were supposedly taken away by this monster. Let us all hope that the girls' families will see justice. Nothing will bring back their daughters, but knowing the perpetrator will do hard time will help their painl.
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cathy, thank you for thinking of joran's mom. she is a lovely lady and has had so much heartache.

as a kid, i remember that one of my parent's friends had a son who raped and murdered a child. the mother had been a devoted parent. the son had never given any clue of problems. no one would ever have guessed he could do something wrong. his mother suffered as did the parents of the poor lost child. i often compare anita van der sloot to her.

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I am so sad to hear of another young girl's life being taken and yet I was so excited to receive my CNN alert today at work letting me know Joran had been captured. I actually let out a big woo hoo making co-workers wonder if I had finally gone over the deep end not knowing what I was so excited about.

I agree with Arubabob and wonder too, where has he been and who has gone missing or unsolved murders.

I also feel very sorry for Joran's Mom. Is she still living in Aruba?
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Joran will be put out of Chile tomorow.
He will be brought to the border and handed to Peruvian authorities tomorrow morning.

Chile expulsará mañana a Joran Van der Sloot | RPP NOTICIAS
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All I can say is; Finally, justice will be served. For the mother, my heart goes out, this must cause her unimaginable pain.
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Watched Good Morning America Weekend....had a whole segment on Joran. After 5 years, he is much taller and very menacing looking to me. It looks like he will not get out of this this time. I am sad for his mother for sure.......she must be devastated to say the least. I can't even imagine what she is feeling....and especially now that she is without her husband. I do think he is a man who has a problem with violence...gambling...drug addiction and desperation. So sad that a boy...aka man......of such a young age chooses to destroy his life and those of many others. I hope that he gets the punishment that he deserves this time....both for Stephany (forgive me if that isn't correct) and also Natalie.
The young girls' family from Peru...considers their daughter a hero and as they are so sad about their loved ones death...they are also glad that Natalie's family may now get the answers and closure that they deserve...and that this dangerous person will not be able to ever do this to another family.
They did say that he is in for a very rude awakening being in a Peruvian jail.....and they have a much different justice system and they can take as long as they want to bring him to justice. Bravo....keep him and do what you will with him. The extortion thing is added to the list.....but the murder charge will be first and foremost in line....

I am happy for the Hollaway's and also for the island of Aruba....hopefully this can close this awful chapter in their history.
Healing will begin for everyone plagued by this demon.....
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I know I cannot understand their pain.
However, the Twitty/Holloway family still had negative things to say about Aruba yesterday.
In summation, they said things like "If Aruba investigators had done their job, the woman in Peru would still be alive".
So sad.
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John.....that is indeed sad. But again people that are frustrated with the Aruban law inforcement would say something like that. I don't know what else the Arubans could have done given their justice system. They worked inside of that and only did what their laws dictate. We all had come to the conclusion ( I did anyway) sometime ago, that it would take a slip up by Joran (or whoever the guilty party ended up being). And we all knew that he would be the guilty one in the end.

I do wish that Natalee's family would not make any more comments blaming Aruba for this girls death in Peru. Again....Aruba didn't commit this crime...Joran (allegedly....being politically correct here) did.

Let's just all pray that this kid is proved guilty and begins to pay for his crimes....
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True confessions time for me. For the longest time, I tended to believe that Natalee Holloway died an accidental death and Joran participated in the disposal of her body. I never did buy that "drugged, kidnapped, gang-raped and murdered" scenario. There was even a period of time (circa 2006 - 2007) when I thought Joran might be completely innocent, but his owns words and actions put him squarely back onto the top of my prime suspect list. But I did not think that he was capable of murder.

Now I know better. I still don't know what happened to Natalee but, I have to say, the possibility that she was the victim of a homicide is now front and center in my thinking. My heart goes out to two families at this time.

I find the criminal charges that were brought against him in Federal Court in Alabama to be fascinating. I presume that the reason the FBI went along with the transfer of money was not just to get grounds for a warrant for his arrest; I presume it was also to try to get some meaningful information as to what happened to Natalee (as if). Unfortunately, that probably won't happen, now. In a horrible twist of irony, the FBI appears to have dropped the ball and ignored ALE's warnings that Joran was about to leave the island after he received the initial wire transfer of funds in mid-May. They could have arrested him then and there but didn't. So it is possible that they not only financed his trip to Peru, but they also allowed him free passage, when they could have moved in and taken him into custody (with the help of ALE, of course).

As for other matters, I don't see this new development having too great of a negative backlash against Aruba. That fight was fought five years ago and I don't think anyone is going to change their mind about Aruba or the integrity of the investigation into Natalee's disappearance at this point. This will obviously bring out the usual suspects (and, in fact, already has) in the form of Nasty Disgrace and her ilk. But that should pass quickly. Word from Peru is that it may be a couple of years before Joran sees the inside of a court of law. I suspect that the tabloid TV pundits will move on pretty quickly to other stories and Aruba won't take too much of a media bashing this time around. And, in fact, when details emerge about the level of cooperation the FBI received from ALE in setting up the extortion case in Alabama, ALE should look pretty good. At the very least, it should silence the critics that claim that ALE never wanted to solve the case.
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Charlie... good to "see" you. For the most part, I agree with what you said.... welcome to my world. If anybody does, you know how I felt from day one, and I've never changed my mind. There were many times you and I went head to head about guilt or innocence.

I'd venture to say that at this moment in time Joran's wishing he told the truth 5 years ago in Aruba. His lying for the last 5 years has come back to bite him in the a-s-s, and he sealed his own fate.
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I don't think most people are out to bash Aruba or make a bad name for them because of Joran. However I think many Americans are fearful that if something happens to them on the island of Aruba, they will be treated in the same manner as the Holloway family. That is a valid concern...
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I don't think most people are out to bash Aruba or make a bad name for them because of Joran. However I think many Americans are fearful that if something happens to them on the island of Aruba, they will be treated in the same manner as the Holloway family. That is a valid concern...
Any americans that have been to Aruba are not fearful at all. I noticed you have not been there. You do not show where you are from either. Although I dont know where you are from, I would bet a lot of money that the violent crime statistics in your state/country far exceed those of Aruba. The Holloway family was not treated badly on Aruba. Just the opposite.

I will not say bad things about someone that lost a daughter.

What I tell friends that ask me about the Natalie situation on Aruba is this. The 3 people arrested for her disapearance were not Aruban citizens. Joran is dutch and the calpos were from Indonesia or someplace like that. Aruba has the same laws as their parent country. They have no choice but to follow that law in all criminal proceedings.

After you return from your first visit to Aruba, let us know what you think.
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I don't think most people are out to bash Aruba or make a bad name for them because of Joran. However I think many Americans are fearful that if something happens to them on the island of Aruba, they will be treated in the same manner as the Holloway family. That is a valid concern...
If, God forbid, something were to ever happen to me or a loved one while traveling, I could only hope that the appropriate law enforcement agency would devote a fraction of the resources, manpower and priority to my case that the Aruban authorities devoted to the case of Natalee Holloway. It's pretty hard to solve a case when there is not one single molecule of physical evidence to work with.
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charlie, add to that the love and attention given by the aruban people who didn't spend just hours but days and weeks searching. the government gave time off to employees and all employees of the government went out searching the island. the arubans joined hands in hands across aruba with the tourists. these are the people who gave us comfort andtook care of people stranded on aruba after 9/11 not charging them for they days they were not allowed to travel.

michelle, you of course are totally entitled to your opinions but you need to investigate further than what nancy grace says on fox news.

and charlie, i agree about the laws of aruba. those who have studied it know our laws in the usa are greatly based on those of the dutch. they must follow their laws and if there is no tangible proof they can not prosecute. that is a good thing to protect the innocent.

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And sometimes those same laws protect those that are guilty as well, the exact same way the laws in the USA sometimes do. I'm not saying that's right. But it's much better to have a presumption of innocence and convict only upon direct and circumstantial evidence presented in a court of law that proves guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, than to convict based upon mob mentality and hearsay. And that's the way it should be.

Can you imagine being tried by the court of Nancy Grace, who said a few days ago that Aruba did nothing to solve the NH case and actually covered it up....HOGWASH!
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john, i totally agree. you know, people forget that if we eliminate the presumption of innocence many innocent people could go to jail. our law and the law of aruba along with most civilized countries believes that it is better to protect the innocent although on occasion it might mean allowing the guilty to remain free. think of how horrible we have felt when we read about an innocent person spending years in jail to have dna results prove they were not guilty.

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And sometimes those same laws protect those that are guilty as well, the exact same way the laws in the USA sometimes do. I'm not saying that's right. But it's much better to have a presumption of innocence and convict only upon direct and circumstantial evidence presented in a court of law that proves guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, than to convict based upon mob mentality and hearsay. And that's the way it should be.

Can you imagine being tried by the court of Nancy Grace, who said a few days ago that Aruba did nothing to solve the NH case and actually covered it up....HOGWASH!
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john, i totally agree. you know, people forget that if we eliminate the presumption of innocence many innocent people could go to jail. our law and the law of aruba along with most civilized countries believes that it is better to protect the innocent although on occasion it might mean allowing the guilty to remain free. think of how horrible we have felt when we read about an innocent person spending years in jail to have dna results prove they were not guilty.
Better to free 10 thieves than convict 1 innocent man.

Besides, those that are guilty will always do it again thus giving the law another opportunity to put them away. As we see now.


Eventually, they all go to jail for something.
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yes, but sadly, this was more of a repeat than should have to be tolerated.

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Better to free 10 thieves than convict 1 innocent man.

Besides, those that are guilty will always do it again thus giving the law another opportunity to put them away. As we see now.


Eventually, they all go to jail for something.
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