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Old Tuesday, May 6th, 2008, 08:40 PM
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Just read on www.arubarenaissancemembers.com that the resort is now nonsmoking in rooms, corridors & balconies....anyone know anything about this?
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balconies? how absurd!

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Just read on www.arubarenaissancemembers.com that the resort is now nonsmoking in rooms, corridors & balconies....anyone know anything about this?
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That's my feeling too! I went to the members meeting with Brian in Feb & he was directly asked if the Ren was going to be nonsmoking (like the other Marriots) he said "No, there are no laws against smoking in Aruba." After reading the news article I first wondered if they just meant the Marina, but then realized I was on the owners page (duh!!). I have a friend that owns Marriot whateverclub & she said they are supposed to be nonsmoking, but they will give you "smokeless" asktrays to use on the balcony. It would have been nice to receive something as owners about change in policy. I really have no problem banning indoor smoking, but the balcony????
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Old Tuesday, May 6th, 2008, 09:22 PM
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murray and i quit smoking about 10 years ago but we have a problem with eliminating smokers rights to that extent. we have been there. i think that it would be wrong to eliminate balconies.

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That's my feeling too! I went to the members meeting with Brian in Feb & he was directly asked if the Ren was going to be nonsmoking (like the other Marriots) he said "No, there are no laws against smoking in Aruba." After reading the news article I first wondered if they just meant the Marina, but then realized I was on the owners page (duh!!). I have a friend that owns Marriot whateverclub & she said they are supposed to be nonsmoking, but they will give you "smokeless" asktrays to use on the balcony. It would have been nice to receive something as owners about change in policy. I really have no problem banning indoor smoking, but the balcony????
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Strangely when I was at the meeting with Brian last March he told us about the new non-smoking policy.
Looks like he wasn't aware or didn't want to tell in February...
And yes balconies included when ask why he responded imagine someone on the balcony when the phone ring...
I'm a non smoker but still a special ashtray like at the Ocean Club would be acceptable. But that's only me...

On the good side the Renaissance TS owners will now get a Gold card that will give us a 15% rebate at dining establishments managed by Renaissance and bill to your room.

Also the Aquarius will have a the Sunday brunch back from 12 noon until 3:30 in the afternoon. (Yeppee!)
And to finish some twice-weekly classes of yoga by the beach are now available.
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Hi. I just got back from Aruba. Spent Memorial week in my TS unit. I do not smoke, but they made me sign paperwork about the smoking policy (no smoking in unit or on balcony). The fine is $250.

Moved for 4 extra nights on the Marina side. They mentioned the no smoking policy but did not mention the balcony. I saw a lot of people smoking on the balcony.

I did not hear about the 15% savings card for TS members. I was not given a card at check-in, so is this something they are working on implementing soon?
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As you can see from this page, http://www.marriott.com/marriott.mi?page=smokefree, Marriott is pretty serious about smoke-free hotels/resorts. This site says the reason is because a majority of guests request smoke-free rooms and the only way to provide that is to keep the entire hotel/resort smoke-free. This site also mentions international locations, and that Marriott allows each location to make their own determination. I would be that the determination is based on the same criteria (percentage of guests that request a smoke-free room). I have stayed in hotels plenty of times when we got to the room and the room stunk horribly of smoke. We had to go back to the front desk and get a new room. It's true that the only way to guarantee a smoke-free room is to make the entire hotel/resort smoke-free. Inventory fluctuation on a day to day basis wouldn't allow anything else.

I should also mention that I did receive an email from Marriott 2 years ago (because I'm a MVCI owner) with a very long description of the new policy and why they were implementing it. I guess you didn't receive that email.

Balconies: What are the chances that a smoker will go out on the balcony and close the door behind them. I'd say slim and none. Eliminating smoking on balconies gurantees that the smoke and smell don't come into the room/villa.

As you can probably tell, I love the Marriott smoke-free policy.

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I'm sorry, but what does being a smoker have to do with being smart enough to close the balcony door behind you? Really doesn't it make more sense that knowing smoking isn't allowed in the room that someone going onto the balcony to smoke would definitely close the door? Considering the breeze/wind, I still think it's ridiculous that smoking is banned on the balcony.

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First off, I think Brian is full of it. Second our time share is not a Marriot property proper, we only "fly under" their flag so to speak, so to hell with the Marriot policy. I feel the Renaissance policy is ridiculous I'm going to smoking on my balcony. I don’t think there should be any smoking restrictions or any other "American or European" type bans or restrictions. Hell, if I wanted to be in America I would have stayed in Chicago. lighten up your on vacation; a little smoke isn’t a big deal.
However, I totally agree with the other poster about cig butts on the beach. “Hey you ignorant *&^%” pick up your butts and for that matter all the other crap you leave around, remember your not at your house clean up after yourself, your giving all us Americans a bad name.
Love Aruba, can’t wait for next year. The only good thing about the high air-fare is maybe there won’t be so many ill-bred children around..

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well, i do agree with you on some of this. i agree about the littering. i also agree about the balconies. that is way overboard. however, i don't agree about the rooms. i am an ex smoker and happen to be one that has no problem with smoke around me. however, i have friends with asthma and other lung problems that absolutely can't be around smoke. yes, it is inconvenient to some extent to have to smoke outside but a balcony isn't a terrible thing. that gives everybody the opportunity to enjoy a place not just smokers.

btw, aruba is not doing it to follow american or european bans. aruba is doing it because the majority of their clients are asking for non smoking areas, rooms, casinos, restaurants and the rest.

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First off, I think Brian is full of it. Second our time share is not a Marriot property proper, we only "fly under" their flag so to speak, so to hell with the Marriot policy. I feel the Renaissance policy is ridiculous I'm going to smoking on my balcony. I don’t think there should be any smoking restrictions or any other "American or European" type bans or restrictions. Hell, if I wanted to be in America I would have stayed in Chicago. lighten up your on vacation; a little smoke isn’t a big deal.
However, I totally agree with the other poster about cig butts on the beach. “Hey you ignorant *&^%” pick up your butts and for that matter all the other crap you leave around, remember your not at your house clean up after yourself, your giving all us Americans a bad name.
Love Aruba, can’t wait for next year. The only good thing about the high air-fare is maybe there won’t be so many ill-bred children around..
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well, i do agree with you on some of this. i agree about the littering. i also agree about the balconies. that is way overboard. however, i don't agree about the rooms. i am an ex smoker and happen to be one that has no problem with smoke around me. however, i have friends with asthma and other lung problems that absolutely can't be around smoke. yes, it is inconvenient to some extent to have to smoke outside but a balcony isn't a terrible thing. that gives everybody the opportunity to enjoy a place not just smokers.

btw, aruba is not doing it to follow american or european bans. aruba is doing it because the majority of their clients are asking for non smoking areas, rooms, casinos, restaurants and the rest.
Well, Sherry Aruba isn’t doing anything; it’s the time share administration. And it’s the pushy complaining Americans that are trying to turn Aruba into the US, and I simply do not agree with it. I go there to get away from all the B.S., I go for the freedom and relaxed ways. I’m a person that simply believes in less government intervention and letting the market set policy, I’m against bans of any kind, smoking or any other legal vice. Although, I do understand and empathize with persons with lung disorders and I suppose we could go on with political debate forever. I guess I may be little sensitive to the subject because I feel non-smokers pretty much have their way everywhere as it is and maybe they could lighten-up up a bit. (Pardon the pun.) However, maybe smokers could be more sensitive and not blow smoke into the faces of the dealers and other players in the casinos, pick up their cig-butts on the beach and stuff like that. But by the same token, smoking outdoors or in an open air environment and for that matter in a bar or a casino, should not be complained about, come on give me a break….Anyway, I hope this post is more appropriate.
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good post and i agree with most of it again, especially the government legislating us to death. i also agree that non smokers get more rights than smokers. they did even when we quit several years ago. at that point it was tough enough to find a place to smoke without being yelled at. however, i do disagree with restaurants, bars and casinos. i think that there should be sections for smokers and for non smokers in all of those, even if partitioning is needed. the reason being that people don't care to be considerate of each other, but i have a problem with outright banning of something that is legal.

it is absurd to eliminate smoking outside of buildings. of course i find half the laws on the books absurd, lol. i think you and i are on the same page with just a few short sentences blocking total agreement, lol.


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Well, Sherry Aruba isn’t doing anything; it’s the time share administration. And it’s the pushy complaining Americans that are trying to turn Aruba into the US, and I simply do not agree with it. I go there to get away from all the B.S., I go for the freedom and relaxed ways. I’m a person that simply believes in less government intervention and letting the market set policy, I’m against bans of any kind, smoking or any other legal vice. Although, I do understand and empathize with persons with lung disorders and I suppose we could go on with political debate forever. I guess I may be little sensitive to the subject because I feel non-smokers pretty much have their way everywhere as it is and maybe they could lighten-up up a bit. (Pardon the pun.) However, maybe smokers could be more sensitive and not blow smoke into the faces of the dealers and other players in the casinos, pick up their cig-butts on the beach and stuff like that. But by the same token, smoking outdoors or in an open air environment and for that matter in a bar or a casino, should not be complained about, come on give me a break….Anyway, I hope this post is more appropriate.
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good post and i agree with most of it again, especially the government legislating us to death. i also agree that non smokers get more rights than smokers. they did even when we quit several years ago. at that point it was tough enough to find a place to smoke without being yelled at. however, i do disagree with restaurants, bars and casinos. i think that there should be sections for smokers and for non smokers in all of those, even if partitioning is needed. the reason being that people don't care to be considerate of each other, but i have a problem with outright banning of something that is legal.

it is absurd to eliminate smoking outside of buildings. of course i find half the laws on the books absurd, lol. i think you and i are on the same page with just a few short sentences blocking total agreement, lol.
Sherry, we do agree. I feel partitioning and giving each side of the argument there own section is really the only fair way to address the issue. And you’re right…people don't care to be considerate of each other, man if we could only solve that problem, Aruba and everywhere else would be a nicer place. (I enjoy “Point-Counter Point” with a reasonable person)
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not too many people think i am reasonable but we sure do agree on a lot of other things, lol.

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Sherry, we do agree. I feel partitioning and giving each side of the argument there own section is really the only fair way to address the issue. And you’re right…people don't care to be considerate of each other, man if we could only solve that problem, Aruba and everywhere else would be a nicer place. (I enjoy “Point-Counter Point” with a reasonable person)
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I'm a smoker, too. When I bought my timeshares, smoking was not prohibited. Last year it went no smoking other then on the balconies. I have to admit that I cheat! (I feel like I'm at an AA meeting) There are times when I can't go out on the balcony when I feel like a cigarette! I buy candles, spray and anything you can think of so as not to have the smell in my units. I can't imagine someone telling me I can't go outside on MY balcony to smoke. I really am a considerate smoker, and try not to offend anyone UNLESS someone gives me a reason to. There has to be a middle ground... and, that's where I have a problem ~ there isn't.

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Sherry, we do agree. I feel partitioning and giving each side of the argument there own section is really the only fair way to address the issue. And you’re right…people don't care to be considerate of each other, man if we could only solve that problem, Aruba and everywhere else would be a nicer place. (I enjoy “Point-Counter Point” with a reasonable person)
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I'm a smoker, too. When I bought my timeshares, smoking was not prohibited. Last year it went no smoking other then on the balconies. I have to admit that I cheat! (I feel like I'm at an AA meeting) There are times when I can't go out on the balcony when I feel like a cigarette! I buy candles, spray and anything you can think of so as not to have the smell in my units. I can't imagine someone telling me I can't go outside on MY balcony to smoke. I really am a considerate smoker, and try not to offend anyone UNLESS someone gives me a reason to. There has to be a middle ground... and, that's where I have a problem ~ there isn't.
I don't mean to turn this into a smoker vs. non-smoker thread so I'll try not. If you smoke inside the room, no matter what spray, candle, etc. you use, if I am the next person to check into that unit, I will smell it. Your sensitivity to the smell is completely different to mine because you are very used to it, and I cannot stand the slightest smell of it. I would then contact the front desk to request a room change. The front desk would ask me why and I would tell them about the smell. They would exchange my room and that is the end of it for me. But for you, you would be billed $250.

This is an example of what may happen if you "cheat". This is also the policy for Marriott (if they need to clean the room due to cigarette smell).

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Thank you... I'm well aware of the fine should it be a problem.

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I don't mean to turn this into a smoker vs. non-smoker thread so I'll try not. If you smoke inside the room, no matter what spray, candle, etc. you use, if I am the next person to check into that unit, I will smell it. Your sensitivity to the smell is completely different to mine because you are very used to it, and I cannot stand the slightest smell of it. I would then contact the front desk to request a room change. The front desk would ask me why and I would tell them about the smell. They would exchange my room and that is the end of it for me. But for you, you would be billed $250.

This is an example of what may happen if you "cheat". This is also the policy for Marriott (if they need to clean the room due to cigarette smell).

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I'm a smoker, too. When I bought my timeshares, smoking was not prohibited. Last year it went no smoking other then on the balconies. I have to admit that I cheat! (I feel like I'm at an AA meeting) There are times when I can't go out on the balcony when I feel like a cigarette! I buy candles, spray and anything you can think of so as not to have the smell in my units. I can't imagine someone telling me I can't go outside on MY balcony to smoke. I really am a considerate smoker, and try not to offend anyone UNLESS someone gives me a reason to. There has to be a middle ground... and, that's where I have a problem ~ there isn't.
I'm a cheater too Elaine. Unless I have left overs in my timeshare storage bin, 1st stop is Lings for room spray, candles and amonia that I put in bowls throughout my unit.
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Well, we're owners at the Renaissance, 3 weeks, and I am not looking for a debate when posting this, really...however, I can tell when someone has smoked in a room when I arrive.
I appreciate the fact that you on your balcony when you decide you need a cig. I don't appreciate it if I smell it in the room. No debate please.
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I'm a cheater too Elaine. Unless I have left overs in my timeshare storage bin, 1st stop is Lings for room spray, candles and amonia that I put in bowls throughout my unit.
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I'm curious about the time share storage bins? Are you at the Renaissance? If so please tell me more about the bins. Thanks
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Most of us use Timeshare Storage. Lou delivers the container when you arrive, and picks it up before you leave no matter where you're staying.

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i want to second the vote for lou and joanne at timeshare storage. we have been using them for 2 years. they have delivered to us everywhere on the island and we have definitely stayed at some out of the way places. they are punctual and although it isn't the cheapest way to go (although getting cheaper with baggage fees on airlines), to be able to leave 50 pounds of things i only use in aruba and not to have to drag that heavy suitcase, is worth every penny. the first time is the most expensive because you have to buy the container but after that it is more than reasonable.

[quote=Elaine S;82119]Most of us use Timeshare Storage. Lou delivers the container when you arrive, and picks it up before you leave no matter where you're staying.

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Timeshare Storage for new customers:

Items are stored in plastic 30 Gal Rubbermaid type containers. Cost for the container is $44.85. Storage for the year is $67.02 US. These prices include the new Aruba BBO (Sales) Tax implemented on January 1, 2007.

There is a 50 lb weight limit. The overweight charge is $25 extra for 51-75 lbs. And an additional $25 extra for 76 - 100 lbs. But we would really appreciate keeping the weight below 50 lbs.

Everything has to be stored in the Container. No Bags, Boxes, Chairs, etc, can be left outside the container. If any of these items are not in a container when we pick them up, we will not be able to take them.

Containers for purchase may vary in size, material and price, as our reordering of depleted stock takes place. Approximate outside dimensions of the present containers in stock are 32"L x 19 1/2"W x 17" H.

Our fee includes one pick up and drop off to your Resort per year. Additional deliveries/pick-ups during that year are $20. US dollars Round Trip.

We are a small company, and not large enough to accept credit cards. Because the bank charges a very high fee for cashing Foreign Checks, we can only accept cash.

Thank you again for your inquiry, feel free to contact us if you have any other questions, or if we can assist you with your visit in other areas.

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By the way, when I was in Aruba last year I swear I saw Brian Von-whatever hiding in the pool area foliage with binoculars looking up at the balconies. I assume he was trying to catch smokers. I also read that the Renaissance has started a kind of “Cigarette Gestapo,” I hear if you’re suspected of smoking they come in the middle of the night and kick your door in, torture you until you admit your wrong doing and confiscate your illegal cigarettes. In fact there was a couple from Boston last year caught and no one has heard from them since. So beware, Brian is watching!!!!!
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Thanks Liz, good information. Kinda new to Aruba only been going for seven years and still finding out these good tips. Thanks again.
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