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here it is...part II. keep it light. you know what kevin said at the start of the last thread. his rule is still in effect.
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here it is...part II. keep it light. you know what kevin said at the start of the last thread. his rule is still in effect.
You should have named this thread... All things NOT Gary!
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The worse part is that I now cannot change a typo. I meant that Beth must be a witch, not which.
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actually hoo, i was going to say in post 1 'keep it light, and this means YOU gary'. hahahahahaha.

now a question for everyone. did anyone have a problem last night posting on the natalee thread? i had a problem several times where i tried to post and the page locked up. it happened on another computer in the house this morning. that is the major reason i closed the thread and started a new one. if any of you had a problem, let me know. we are trying to work on it and any confirmation would help.


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I did have a problem this morning with it locking up. I also had an error message saying that my message could not be posted.

Did you start a new thread hoping Gary could not locate it? Oh, but that's right, he is psychic. He knew last night that you would be closing the thread!
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Sherry, you scared me. I just finished my morning rant and went to submit it and got the message that the thread was closed. Momentary panic.

Anyway, what I said was, I have a little spare time this morning so I am going to start bright and early.

A few days ago, I passed on some info about Mountain Brook, Alabama. Some of this will be repetitious but, Mountain Brook is the most affluent community in the State. The average household income is six figures and I suspect that the first figure is not a 'one.' It is a snobbish, elitist, cliquish enclave populated by a class of social supremacists who truly believe, not just that they are better than us commoners, but that the rest of are are supposed to understand and accept their superiority. That's where this 'I'm entitled' attitude comes from.

So now these overprivileged freeloaders are back; and this time, they're "really angry." Well, so am I.

Here's a little Natalee anecdote that I haven't shared before out of deference to the family. I have a friend who moonlights as a bartender at private parties and catered events. He has worked lots of functions in Mountain Brook over the years and has met the Twits, including Natalee. At a recent (pre high school graduation) party, he recalls how Natalee snuck up to him and tried to get him to pour her some wine. In the process, she got real flirty with him. This is our perfect chaste little naive angel that would never do any wrong.

I have given the family unlimited license because of what they are going through. I still want to but, obviously, the license was not unlimited because my limit has been reached.

You continue to bash everything Aruba with a promise that it's only go to step up from here. All the while, you're staying in a free hotel suite, eating for free in our restaurants, and driving a free rental car.
You come to my homeland, bring down a band of vigilantes who destroy a sea turtle's nest in a protected area, bring down a thug who feels free to roam the island harassing the citizens...can you say 'Deportation?'

As we would have said in the sixties, put that in your pipe and smoke it, Beth and Jughead. Don't bogart. Pass it around to Nancy Disgrace, Greta, Mark Furhman, Geraldo and O'Wrongly.

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Here's a little Natalee anecdote that I haven't shared before out of deference to the family. I have a friend who moonlights as a bartender at private parties and catered events. He has worked lots of functions in Mountain Brook over the years and has met the Twits, including Natalee. At a recent (pre high school graduation) party, he recalls how Natalee snuck up to him and tried to get him to pour her some wine. In the process, she got real flirty with him. This is our perfect chaste little naive angel that would never do any wrong.
Why does this not surprise me? As previously stated, when someone goes missing or murdered, they are always the "perfect" child when they could be the worst of the worse. The good things of the person are the only thing mentioned. I have seen articles about people who I know are not nice, but if something tragic happened to them they were the "best" person in the world.
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Sherry, you scared me. I just finished my morning rant and went to submit it and got the message that the thread was closed. Momentary panic.

Anyway, what I said was, I have a little spare time this morning so I am going to start bright and early.

A few days ago, I passed on some info about Mountain Brook, Alabama. Some of this will be repetitious but, Mountain Brook is the most affluent community in the State. The average household income is six figures and I suspect that the first figure is not a 'one.' It is a snobbish, elitist, cliquish enclave populated by a class of social supremacists who truly believe, not just that they are better than us commoners, but that ther rest of are are supposed to understand and accept their superiority. That's where this 'I'm entitled' attitude comes from.

So now these overprivileged freeloaders are back; and this time, they're "really angry." Well, so am I.

Here's a little Natalee anecdote that I haven't shared before out of deference to the family. I have a friend who moonlights as a bartender at private parties and catered events. He has worked lots of functions in Mountain Brook over the years and has met the Twits, including Natalee. At a recent (pre high school graduation) party, he recalls how Natalee snuck up to him and tried to get him to pour her some wine. In the process, she got real flirty with him. This is our perfect chaste little naive angel that would never do any wrong.

I have given the family unlimited license because of what they are going through. I still want to but, obviously, the license was not unlimited because my limit has been reached.

You continue to bash everything Aruba with a rpomise that it's only go to step up from here. All the while, you're staying in a free hotel suite, eating for free in our restaurants, and driving a free rental car.
You come to my homeland, bring down a band of vigilantes who destroy a sea turtle's nest in a protected area, bring down a thug who feels free to roam the island harassing the citizens...can you say 'Deportation?'

As we would have said in the sixties, put that in your pipe and smoke it, Beth and Jughead. Don't bogart. Pass it around to Nancy Disgrace, Greta, Mark Furhman, Geraldo and O'Wrongly.

I promise to lighten up.
I detect a lot of anger so early in the morning.. LOL
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Here's a little Natalee anecdote that I haven't shared before out of deference to the family. I have a friend who moonlights as a bartender at private parties and catered events. He has worked lots of functions in Mountain Brook over the years and has met the Twits, including Natalee. At a recent (pre high school graduation) party, he recalls how Natalee snuck up to him and tried to get him to pour her some wine. In the process, she got real flirty with him. This is our perfect chaste little naive angel that would never do any wrong.


Oh me oh my......this is very interesting.......
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Someone stated yesterday that Joran has only told 1 or 2 versions of his story, it's now being reported that the LEAD INVESTIGATOR Lt. Roy Tromp says Joran has offered up 10 different versions of what happened that night.....see the news story from this a.m. below......

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/4806968/detail.html
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Someone stated yesterday that Joran has only told 1 or 2 versions of his story, it's now being reported that the LEAD INVESTIGATOR Lt. Roy Tromp says Joran has offered up 10 different versions of what happened that night.....see the news story from this a.m. below......

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/4806968/detail.html
If a lead investigator tells this insight information then he/she is not a qualified person in my eyes.
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I am not sure how they have so much money. Jug is the head of a factory, and Beth is a speech therapist as far as I know.

The other children are periodically mentioned. Usually that the step-son went to AUA on 03 or 04 with the high school. Also mentioned on tv by BT was that he said C&C was a wild place and NH was told to be careful when there. Her mother should have told her no C&C's while on the trip. She was warned about C&C before ever getting to Aruba. I'm not sure if I ever heard about the other child. I know Dave has spoken about his child and has stated that is why he and his wife do not spend as much time in AUA as the others.
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ok...Philadelphia goes to the head of the class in the category of "Classy Cities"

In yesterday's edition of ArubaToday they showed that Philadelphia lite up 4 buildings with the message "PHILADELPHIA WELCOMES ARUBAN POLICE" and kept it lit up for the four nights the police were in Philadelphia at the inviatation of the Philadelphia Police Dept......glad to see a city reach out to Aruba and allow our GOOD SIDE to shine thru !!!!

THE CITY OF BROTHERLY LOVE......now I understand why it has always been called that !!!!
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ok...Philadelphia goes to the head of the class in the category of "Classy Cities"

In yesterday's edition of ArubaToday they showed that Philadelphia lite up 4 buildings with the message "PHILADELPHIA WELCOMES ARUBAN POLICE" and kept it lit up for the four nights the police were in Philadelphia at the inviatation of the Philadelphia Police Dept......glad to see a city reach out to Aruba and allow our GOOD SIDE to shine thru !!!!

THE CITY OF BROTHERLY LOVE......now I understand why it has always been called that !!!!
Seashell can you put that link of ArubaToday. Wonderful to share it with others.Thanks
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As an aside to this Claudia, Frank Rizzo, a Phila. councilman was in Aruba for vacation and fell in love with the island. His Dad was the infamous Frank Rizzo... mayor of the city and police commissioner. Young Frank invited the police department of Aruba to Philly.... He even met the plane and gave them a police escort to their hotel. Three cheers for Frank!!

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ok...Philadelphia goes to the head of the class in the category of "Classy Cities"

In yesterday's edition of ArubaToday they showed that Philadelphia lite up 4 buildings with the message "PHILADELPHIA WELCOMES ARUBAN POLICE" and kept it lit up for the four nights the police were in Philadelphia at the inviatation of the Philadelphia Police Dept......glad to see a city reach out to Aruba and allow our GOOD SIDE to shine thru !!!!

THE CITY OF BROTHERLY LOVE......now I understand why it has always been called that !!!!
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Blenchi...so I suppose you believe Joran has only lied once and changed his story one time......I don't know one teenager who can tell a lie twice the same way.....I watch my girlfriends teenage sons lie about their curfew, drinking and partying and they are soooo bad at lying until it is actually funny....I suspect Joran has been altering his story all along.

I totally believe the LEAD INVESTIGATOR as he is closer to the investigation than anyone else. He's not damaging the case in the slightest cause all he has said is there are 10 versions....that's not giving up ANY pertinent evidence. Even the prosecutor Karen Jansen weeks and weeks ago on T.V. said the very same thing.
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This thread should be called "let's rip apart the Holloway/Twitty families." Who cares if their daughter is still missing, just don't say anything bad about a place I like to vacation at. It's actually very sad to see how cold and ignorant some of the posters on this board can be. I can tell you this, any new person coming to this board to obtain information on the island will be turned off immediately. Everyone is saying how the media and the families are hurting Aruba tourism, well you better hope they don't come to this board.
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Seashell can you put that link of ArubaToday. Wonderful to share it with others.Thanks
http://www.arubatoday.com/week/wedne...ay3-8-2005.pdf
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At a recent (pre high school graduation) party, he recalls how Natalee snuck up to him and tried to get him to pour her some wine



This is easy to explain. She thought it was 7 up !! It says so in Beth's notebooks.

And I am sure she was not flirting......just wanted to share how happy she was with her dance club activities

Soon there will be many such stories from peers and others in the Alabama communities, where mny have to be having the same backlash reaction. The gloves are off on the Twit clan. Except Dave gets an exemption in my book.

As an aside, I bet that girl hated living in that family with Jug and Beth. Imagine dealing with those controlling hyperactive hotheads every day Why I still think there is much more to this story.

I definitely would not exclude the MB boys or girls from possible involvement. Tey could have been jealous or had some payback motive.

I also would not exclude the possibility that she ran away from this family before college in Alabama. I give those possibilities every bit as much chance as the boys committing a crime. The MB kids also had ample freedom and opportunity to do something at the beach....maybe after Joran indeed left her.

As to the stories, we also have heard maybe 20 from beth herself about her own daughter...and especially from the high school classmates.
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Blenchi...so I suppose you believe Joran has only lied once and changed his story one time......I don't know one teenager who can tell a lie twice the same way.....I watch my girlfriends teenage sons lie about their curfew, drinking and partying and they are soooo bad at lying until it is actually funny....I suspect Joran has been altering his story all along.

I totally believe the LEAD INVESTIGATOR as he is closer to the investigation than anyone else. He's not damaging the case in the slightest cause all he has said is there are 10 versions....that's not giving up ANY pertinent evidence. Even the prosecutor Karen Jansen weeks and weeks ago on T.V. said the very same thing.
Yes Seashell I can`t believe this story sorry.
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This thread should be called "let's rip apart the Holloway/Twitty families." Who cares if their daughter is still missing, just don't say anything bad about a place I like to vacation at. It's actually very sad to see how cold and ignorant some of the posters on this board can be. I can tell you this, any new person coming to this board to obtain information on the island will be turned off immediately. Everyone is saying how the media and the families are hurting Aruba tourism, well you better hope they don't come to this board.
Think you better visit the place and read everything about NH on these threads before making these assumptions.

Anyone can say anything bad, but back it up with specifics. That is not something you can do since you have never been there.

Aruba is more popular now since all this happened. Hotels are booked and this is not supposed to be a busy season.
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I have today off so I am going to watch the second season of Six Feet Under, love that show.
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This thread should be called "let's rip apart the Holloway/Twitty families." Who cares if their daughter is still missing, just don't say anything bad about a place I like to vacation at. It's actually very sad to see how cold and ignorant some of the posters on this board can be. I can tell you this, any new person coming to this board to obtain information on the island will be turned off immediately. Everyone is saying how the media and the families are hurting Aruba tourism, well you better hope they don't come to this board.
Robo,

I see your point but... these threads have been going on since Natalee went missing. There were thousands of posts in the beginning that stated how upset everyone was and that we sympathize with the Twitty's. We still do! If you have watched the entire process, you can see just how her (Beth's) demeanor has changed throughout the process. She get's more sarcastic and angry. As I've stated in previous posts, I cannot begin to imagine what the family is going through. I for one refuse to take pot shots at the family but she needs to quit taking shots at the island that welcomed her in with open arms and basically gave her everything for free.

I'm not defending Aruba. I do believe that their LE had numerous blunders and if tourism takes a shot.. so be it.... But the Twitty's should quit bashing the place because their daughter hasn't been found. That does no one any good!
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robo, i should delete you but i am feeling benevolent this morning so instead i will respond. for approximately 6,000 posts we have sympathized with the tritty family. we still sympathize with dave holloway. however, as the story has evolved in the last few weeks, beth has spent so much time lying and creating tall tales, making irrational demands, being rude, offending people, insisting that the police do things that she knows are illegal, bringing in investigators that do things they know are illegal, that we are turned off to them.

you, having never been to aruba can only see one side of things and obviously came to this bb to reap the vicarious thrills of reading about this family. you lack much of the information and haven't learned any respect for the island. we started with respect for both island and family. read thru the first 6000 posts. we still have respect for the situation but we have absolutely no respect for beth and jug.

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As a matter of fact, we are owners of multiple timeshares on the island, and will be back the second week of Sept for the third time in 7 months.
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ah, then you started with a lie...you must be guilty. your personal information shows you haven't been to aruba.

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Blenchi.....

Here's the link....cool pic of the night lites of Philadelphia.....

P.S. If you don't believe the LEAD INVESTIGATOR who is present for every interrogation, then who do you believe....the Media ? Joran ? Beth Twitty or Jughead ?

And folks don't worry about Robo's post, he shows up out of nowhere and hasn't the respect to know we have been communicating for 65 days together about this subject.... and knows NOTHING about the evolution of our discussions and why the tide has changed in the respect to the Holloways. His comments lack foundation cause he jumped in the middle of the stream and spouted off before he read all the posts to understand we were ALL VERY SYMPATHETIC to the Twitty's for a long long time, till she started bad mouthing the island and it's people....who 99.9 percent of the island had nothing to do with her daughter's disappearance....and not commenting on the huge amount of donated hotel rooms, food, rental cars, Marines, locals, F-16's from Holland, heavy duty equipment donated from Aruban businesses, the fire dept working long overtime hours, the shutting down of all gov't offices for an afternoon so employees could search.....all of this was barely mentioned as a thank you from the Twitty's.....HELL, there is no way any city in the USA would do this for a missing person, yet she barely uttered a word anout it......

THAT MR. ROBO IS WHY THE ATTITUDE HERE HAS CHANGED......
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robo, i should delete you but i am feeling benevolent this morning so instead i will respond. for approximately 6,000 posts we have sympathized with the tritty family. we still sympathize with dave holloway. however, as the story has evolved in the last few weeks, beth has spent so much time lying and creating tall tales, making irrational demands, being rude, offending people, insisting that the police do things that she knows are illegal, bringing in investigators that do things they know are illegal, that we are turned off to them.

you, having never been to aruba can only see one side of things and obviously came to this bb to reap the vicarious thrills of reading about this family. you lack much of the information and haven't learned any respect for the island. we started with respect for both island and family. read thru the first 6000 posts. we still have respect for the situation but we have absolutely no respect for beth and jug.
Sherry, I take it that your vacation can not come soon enough?
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Blenchi...sorry I forgot the link.....man I need another cup of coffee !!!


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that is the understatement of the day. if i gave you a list of the events in my life lately that create the need for a vacation, you would be so exhausted reading that you too would need one, lol.

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This thread should be called "let's rip apart the Holloway/Twitty families." Who cares if their daughter is still missing, just don't say anything bad about a place I like to vacation at. It's actually very sad to see how cold and ignorant some of the posters on this board can be. I can tell you this, any new person coming to this board to obtain information on the island will be turned off immediately. Everyone is saying how the media and the families are hurting Aruba tourism, well you better hope they don't come to this board.
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As a matter of fact, we are owners of multiple timeshares on the island, and will be back the second week of Sept for the third time in 7 months.
I have a hard time believing you own multiple time shares in Aruba. If you truly own there, then you would see where Aruba is getting bad publicity when it is not right. The Arubans have given the Twittys so much and Aruba only gets bashed by them in return. You have either not been following this story or have not been watching TV. Anyone who owns a time share or visits regularly is irate with what is happening. At first everyone felt sympathy, now the twittys have stepped over the line.

Since you know Aruba so well, please start a new thread to attract the new tourists. Just make sure no one is turned off imediately.

I think your owning a time share is a lie! It's funny how people can make up an identity they want on BB's. I feel your identity is made up and you are changing your user profile verbally as needed to back up your writings.
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P.S. Mr. Robo....I don't believe you either, why in your profile would you say you've never been to Aruba and don't own timeshare there, but when pressed all of a sudden we have timeshare ownership all over the island ? Are you related to Joran ? LOL

I know Sherry will pull this post....but I'm going to post it anyways.....cause I got a devilish side in me when it comes to crazy people....!!!!!
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actually claudia...i seem to have that devilish side to me too, today. i should have pulled all the posts about this starting with robo and including myself. but let's all stop robo bashing. we have said enough to explain it all to him/her.


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P.S. Mr. Robo....I don't believe you either, why in your profile would you say you've never been to Aruba and don't own timeshare there, but when pressed all of a sudden we have timeshare ownership all over the island ? Are you related to Joran ? LOL

I know Sherry will pull this post....but I'm going to post it anyways.....cause I got a devilish side in me when it comes to crazy people....!!!!!
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It's interesting how selective some of you are being when you look for information. On one hand, we can't believe the former lead investigator because he's disclosing information about the case, but we can believe someone that passes on a rumor about Natalee flirting with someone to get some wine or whatever. There's ridiculous assumptions being made about an entire community based on their income level. How do you know I'm not from Mountain Brook? Are you saying that all people with money are elitist snobs? I want one person to show me a single article that bashes or criticizes the people of Aruba. Yes, the law enforcement agencies have been criticized, but how is that a reflection on Aruba or it's people? How is it that Beth Twitty is a bitch, because she criticizes how she feels the investigation has gone? Did any of you get called bitches when you criticized Mark Fuhrman and his crappy work during the O.J. trial? It's obvious to me and all of you that Joran Van der Sloot is going to walk in about a month for the lack of evidence. It's obvious to me, though, that this kid knows what happened to Natalee. If I were Beth Twitty, I would be desperate to find out what happened before that deadline is up. That's exactly what she's doing, nothing else. The island of Aruba will survive this and is surviving this. It's a tragedy that could have happened anywhere. It's just unfortunate that it happened on this island that you love so much. I know a lot of you are taking it personally and that's, again, unfortunate, but maybe you guys might take attacks on our own country a little more personally in the future.
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It's actually very sad to see how cold and ignorant some of the posters on this board can be. I can tell you this, any new person coming to this board to obtain information on the island will be turned off immediately. Everyone is saying how the media and the families are hurting Aruba tourism, well you better hope they don't come to this board.


The folks who are cold and ignorant are on TV every night and part of the posse that the Hollwoay/Twitty clan has formed. Their act is filled with self-promoting lying and ungracious people. This behavior starts with Beth and Jug's own and they have hired and given license to other fools by hiring em and through theirendorsement of such antics.

And guess what?

You are buying into the myth that Aruba tourism is hurting. Not at all acuurate and won't be. I'm sure the Arubans don't want the Bama Bashers back anyhow by the way. The hotel had complaints all week while the Mountain Brook kids were there partying and now the family is freeloading.

No one here is saying that tourism is being hurt in Aruba....in fact just the opposite if you read here or any other site.

Lies and rudeness will not hurt Aruba...people see through this sham.

Maybe Beth and Jug should have exercised a bit more of those investigative abilities before they sent and paid for their 18 year old daughter to go there on an unescorted trip with 125 classmates. And filled up that notebook with due diligence up front.

On the other hand, maybe Beth thought when she took her to the airport it was really a bus station.
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hound, remember one thing...beth has complained about lies. then she constantly changes her story. that is one of the major things i can't tolerate. i hate lies from anyone including beth. that she says natalee didn't know she was getting in a car with the guys is such a blatant lie that she lost the last of her credibility with me. read the early posts. read the posts from one of the parents. read the early quotes from the friends. being desperate to resolve this is one thing, but if you as the victim's family change your story it makes it even harder to come up with answers. it also makes it harder for LE to trust anything you say or want to work with you. it is bad enough if the possibly guilty lie but when the innocent family does it is much worse.

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It's interesting how selective some of you are being when you look for information. On one hand, we can't believe the former lead investigator because he's disclosing information about the case, but we can believe someone that passes on a rumor about Natalee flirting with someone to get some wine or whatever. There's ridiculous assumptions being made about an entire community based on their income level. How do you know I'm not from Mountain Brook? Are you saying that all people with money are elitist snobs? I want one person to show me a single article that bashes or criticizes the people of Aruba. Yes, the law enforcement agencies have been criticized, but how is that a reflection on Aruba or it's people? How is it that Beth Twitty is a bitch, because she criticizes how she feels the investigation has gone? Did any of you get called bitches when you criticized Mark Fuhrman and his crappy work during the O.J. trial? It's obvious to me and all of you that Joran Van der Sloot is going to walk in about a month for the lack of evidence. It's obvious to me, though, that this kid knows what happened to Natalee. If I were Beth Twitty, I would be desperate to find out what happened before that deadline is up. That's exactly what she's doing, nothing else. The island of Aruba will survive this and is surviving this. It's a tragedy that could have happened anywhere. It's just unfortunate that it happened on this island that you love so much. I know a lot of you are taking it personally and that's, again, unfortunate, but maybe you guys might take attacks on our own country a little more personally in the future.
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Sherry,

I think a lot of that is that Beth has also been getting conflicting information. It's well known that the law enforcement do not talk about the case. In order for her to get information, she's got to dig for it herself. Listen, I wouldn't approach this the way that she has, but there have been other families in this type of situation pointing fingers and never get the criticism that they have gotten. Take the Scott Peterson trial. Very much the same situation. The family was pointing at Scott and they had no body. The local law enforcement got criticized for the way they handled Scott in the early stages. Where was the outcry when they started criticizing? That case got as much press as this one is getting. Because you and everyone else enjoy Aruba and the people there, you're taking it personally. When was the last time you go so enthralled with a case going on in your own city?
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I have today off so I am going to watch the second season of Six Feet Under, love that show.

Love that show too! I heard this is the last season though......
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actually, i am that involved right at the moment with a case in my city. 3 children...throats slit...uncles had blood all over them...dna evidence galore...case in court now...should be a slam dunk...murray and i have our soapbox right in front of the screen. spend the news screaming at the set. a total travesty of justice so far. oh, and it isn't the first that i felt that way about. i have followed that specific case from the first day since i drove past the apartment it happened at every work day and grew up a few blocks from the murder scene.

i guess i am passionate about crime and what i expect from people. i don't mind badmouthing when deserved. i can't tolerate lies from either side.

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Once again, all I WAS SAYING was......the LEAD investigator has confirmed 10 different stories. He hasn't COMPROMISED ANYTHING about the case. It is the same thing that Karen Jansen (the prosecutor) has said from weeks ago....my only point was the stories Joran has given are numerous as reported by two people who are present during interrogations. Yes, most all other PERTINENT info can NOT be given out by Dutch Law.....and certainly the lead investigator and prosecutor know what can and can not be said.....honestly, does everyone here believe Joran and the media and their spin on how many stories have been told....... ???

instead of believing what 2 people involved directly with the investigation have stated......I think I'm not the only one here this a.m. who needs another cup of coffee......
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Sherry,

That's great. We all need to be involved and care about things in our own country as well. It has been the politically correct thing to do to tear down the United States and it's way of life not only in foreign lands, but even here in our own country. I just want to see us take attacks on our own way of life as personally as most are taking the perceived attacks on Aruba, which, by the way, are aimed at the Aruban LE rather than the Aruban people.
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claudia, at the moment i don't even believe me or anything i read or hear. there are so many stories in this case that i can't trust anything. i think most of us are feeling that way. we can only go on instinct.

wish coffee would make me more alert. caffeine does nothing for me.

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honestly, does everyone here believe Joran and the media and their spin on how many stories have been told....... ???

instead of believing what 2 people involved directly with the investigation have stated......I think I'm not the only one here this a.m. who needs another cup of coffee......
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hound, you are absolutely right. i complain and scream and rant all day about travesties and injustices. i am a 60's kid. i still believe in the 'dream' and refuse to see it die in my own little world. maybe that is what fuels my passions so much and makes me a staunch supporter of aruba.

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That's great. We all need to be involved and care about things in our own country as well. It has been the politically correct thing to do to tear down the United States and it's way of life not only in foreign lands, but even here in our own country. I just want to see us take attacks on our own way of life as personally as most are taking the perceived attacks on Aruba, which, by the way, are aimed at the Aruban LE rather than the Aruban people.
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It's obvious to me, though, that this kid knows what happened to Natalee.


I am not sure how it is so obvious. It isn't or he would be charged. If we are convicting people based on what is "obvious", then Jug, TJ, Tim, and the newspaper guy should all be included. They sweat, act like thugs, look away from the camera, change their stories and act nervoues.

Unless you have seen something that has not been widely disseminated , how can that lable be used. Obvious implies seeing something. Many think or feel that Joran or the Kaploes did this...and Beth says she knows it. But those thoughts , feelings and convictions are based on a big leap from what i nt obvious at all.

We've only seen pictures of these guys in squad cars or walking a few feet. What exactly is so obvious?

Those types of conclusions are what Fox and CNN are doing also.

The reality is this. If it is obvious,Joran would have been charged formally. So far he hasn't.

No doubt there are some reasons to suspect him-that is why he is in jail.

We don't know what the police have...and maybe indeed it is obvious to them...

But no one else has access to draw such a conclusion fairly . Beth now thinks its "obvious" why her daughter got in that "cab>" Its so obvious that it took her 2 months to surmise that.

It is very possible that these guys just lied to cya.
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There is a big difference between the Petersons and others complaining about the cops and this situation.


Sure it makes sense on a human nature basis, but the difference is this and it is fundamental:

They are GUESTS of a foreugn country. They had ample opportunity to check the laws, customs, drinking habits, policing etc. before they sent their daughter there.

They evidently did not do this, and in that process (in fact they did sign a waiver) accepted all those elements above.

In my mind, now they want to re arrange the island laws after the fact. Like many who bash things, they absolve thenselves of any responsibility in the process.

They may not like the rules, but they accepted them. Now they complain.
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I think a lot of that is that Beth has also been getting conflicting information. It's well known that the law enforcement do not talk about the case. In order for her to get information, she's got to dig for it herself.
I think this is the problem. She states everything as FACT and it is not. She needs to say "I have heard ________, but have also heard _________. I'm trying to find out the truth." All anyone on this board wants is for everyone to be truthful and not make up stories & lies as they go along.

I would love to be on that island for 2+ months for free! I sometimes wonder why the step-son isn't there with them (or is he?). It is a free vacation. From what we hear, shopping, casinos and beach for the twittys frequently.
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Bentress...I agree Joran does know what happened to NH also, your totally right on that.....as for him lying to CYA...no one lies to CYA unless they are guily of SOMETHING !!!

Did you see the post and see the Philly article in the Aruba Today newspaper.....nice nice story !
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well, i agree on your first paragraph ice but the second i take some exception to. i would not want to be on that island for free for the reasons beth is there. i think it is great that everyone has been so generous to them and admire the arubans for doing it. however, her reason for being there isn't to get a tan. as much as i dislike her and her attitude, i certainly wouldn't want to be in her shoes. remember, you are hearing rumor too. none of us knows for a fact that they are shopping or anything else.

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I think this is the problem. She states everything as FACT and it is not. She needs to say "I have heard ________, but have also heard _________. I'm trying to find out the truth." All anyone on this board wants is for everyone to be truthful and not make up stories & lies as they go along.

I would love to be on that island for 2+ months for free! I sometimes wonder why the step-son isn't there with them (or is he?). It is a free vacation. From what we hear, shopping, casinos and beach for the twittys frequently.
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Bentrees,

What I stated was opinion and opinion only based on what I know. Sometimes, you have to take the rose colored glasses off and look at what you have here. You have a kid that has reportedly told several different stories of what happened on that night. You also have a kid that was the last to see Natalee alive based on his own admissions. There is no physical evidence that she was killed by Joran and that's the very reason I stated that Joran Van der Sloot would walk in a month. That is unfortunate, though, because the most likely scenario is that Joran Van der Sloot knows what happened to Natalee, accident or not. By the way, if this was an accident that was not covered up, the chances dramatically increase that Natalee's body would have been found by now.
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