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here it is...part II. keep it light. you know what kevin said at the start of the last thread. his rule is still in effect.
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here it is...part II. keep it light. you know what kevin said at the start of the last thread. his rule is still in effect.
You should have named this thread... All things NOT Gary!
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The worse part is that I now cannot change a typo. I meant that Beth must be a witch, not which.
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The worse part is that I now cannot change a typo. I meant that Beth must be a witch, not which.
"Witch" for "Which"? It sounds like my "word substitution" problem is catching. It must be like a computer virus.
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I think we need to do what Kevin so often tells us to.... sit back and take a deep breath. We're now doing to the Twitty's what the Twitty's are doing to Aruba LE.... letting our anger get in the way of good sense and reason. At this point, I know it's difficult to separate one from the other... but we're sinking to their level. I'm as guilty for doing it as anyone.

As civilians sitting here looking in, we have no idea of what's going on with the investigation unless we want to believe all the people we've criticized for giving us bad and erroneous information.

I've said for a long time that there's that "something," that "unknown" involved here. This could well go beyond 3 boys and a father.... No one can convince me that this privileged 17 year old can sit in a cell for this length of time, be questioned constantly, and not break! I don't care what his father told him, I don't care what his lawyer told him... He's certainly not a schooled murderer.

I don't agree with the masses that Joran will walk on Sept. 4th, but it's simply my opinion. I wouldn't be one bit surprised if Aruba LE has much more than anyone knows about including.. the Twittys, the Holloways.. and how about this, even Greta, Nancy and the rest of the naysayers!

My faith in the Aruba legal system and its investigational expertise, although tested at the beginning... hasn't waivered in the last 8 weeks... they WILL get to the bottom of this!
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actually hoo, i was going to say in post 1 'keep it light, and this means YOU gary'. hahahahahaha.

now a question for everyone. did anyone have a problem last night posting on the natalee thread? i had a problem several times where i tried to post and the page locked up. it happened on another computer in the house this morning. that is the major reason i closed the thread and started a new one. if any of you had a problem, let me know. we are trying to work on it and any confirmation would help.


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I did have a problem this morning with it locking up. I also had an error message saying that my message could not be posted.

Did you start a new thread hoping Gary could not locate it? Oh, but that's right, he is psychic. He knew last night that you would be closing the thread!
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I did have a problem this morning with it locking up. I also had an error message saying that my message could not be posted.

Did you start a new thread hoping Gary could not locate it? Oh, but that's right, he is psychic. He knew last night that you would be closing the thread!
What better proof of my psychic ability could there be that I didn't post late into the night (this morning). Being a psychic I naturally knew that Sherry was about to close the old thread and waited until this morning.

Also, my telepathic message of "Search the dump!" has apparently been received by Natalee's family and Texas Equusearch." Once her body is found there, I expect to get full recognition as "the one and only true psychic" on this board.
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Sherry, you scared me. I just finished my morning rant and went to submit it and got the message that the thread was closed. Momentary panic.

Anyway, what I said was, I have a little spare time this morning so I am going to start bright and early.

A few days ago, I passed on some info about Mountain Brook, Alabama. Some of this will be repetitious but, Mountain Brook is the most affluent community in the State. The average household income is six figures and I suspect that the first figure is not a 'one.' It is a snobbish, elitist, cliquish enclave populated by a class of social supremacists who truly believe, not just that they are better than us commoners, but that the rest of are are supposed to understand and accept their superiority. That's where this 'I'm entitled' attitude comes from.

So now these overprivileged freeloaders are back; and this time, they're "really angry." Well, so am I.

Here's a little Natalee anecdote that I haven't shared before out of deference to the family. I have a friend who moonlights as a bartender at private parties and catered events. He has worked lots of functions in Mountain Brook over the years and has met the Twits, including Natalee. At a recent (pre high school graduation) party, he recalls how Natalee snuck up to him and tried to get him to pour her some wine. In the process, she got real flirty with him. This is our perfect chaste little naive angel that would never do any wrong.

I have given the family unlimited license because of what they are going through. I still want to but, obviously, the license was not unlimited because my limit has been reached.

You continue to bash everything Aruba with a promise that it's only go to step up from here. All the while, you're staying in a free hotel suite, eating for free in our restaurants, and driving a free rental car.
You come to my homeland, bring down a band of vigilantes who destroy a sea turtle's nest in a protected area, bring down a thug who feels free to roam the island harassing the citizens...can you say 'Deportation?'

As we would have said in the sixties, put that in your pipe and smoke it, Beth and Jughead. Don't bogart. Pass it around to Nancy Disgrace, Greta, Mark Furhman, Geraldo and O'Wrongly.

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Here's a little Natalee anecdote that I haven't shared before out of deference to the family. I have a friend who moonlights as a bartender at private parties and catered events. He has worked lots of functions in Mountain Brook over the years and has met the Twits, including Natalee. At a recent (pre high school graduation) party, he recalls how Natalee snuck up to him and tried to get him to pour her some wine. In the process, she got real flirty with him. This is our perfect chaste little naive angel that would never do any wrong.
Why does this not surprise me? As previously stated, when someone goes missing or murdered, they are always the "perfect" child when they could be the worst of the worse. The good things of the person are the only thing mentioned. I have seen articles about people who I know are not nice, but if something tragic happened to them they were the "best" person in the world.
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Here's a little Natalee anecdote that I haven't shared before out of deference to the family. I have a friend who moonlights as a bartender at private parties and catered events. He has worked lots of functions in Mountain Brook over the years and has met the Twits, including Natalee. At a recent (pre high school graduation) party, he recalls how Natalee snuck up to him and tried to get him to pour her some wine. In the process, she got real flirty with him. This is our perfect chaste little naive angel that would never do any wrong.


Oh me oh my......this is very interesting.......
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Sherry, you scared me. I just finished my morning rant and went to submit it and got the message that the thread was closed. Momentary panic.

Anyway, what I said was, I have a little spare time this morning so I am going to start bright and early.

A few days ago, I passed on some info about Mountain Brook, Alabama. Some of this will be repetitious but, Mountain Brook is the most affluent community in the State. The average household income is six figures and I suspect that the first figure is not a 'one.' It is a snobbish, elitist, cliquish enclave populated by a class of social supremacists who truly believe, not just that they are better than us commoners, but that ther rest of are are supposed to understand and accept their superiority. That's where this 'I'm entitled' attitude comes from.

So now these overprivileged freeloaders are back; and this time, they're "really angry." Well, so am I.

Here's a little Natalee anecdote that I haven't shared before out of deference to the family. I have a friend who moonlights as a bartender at private parties and catered events. He has worked lots of functions in Mountain Brook over the years and has met the Twits, including Natalee. At a recent (pre high school graduation) party, he recalls how Natalee snuck up to him and tried to get him to pour her some wine. In the process, she got real flirty with him. This is our perfect chaste little naive angel that would never do any wrong.

I have given the family unlimited license because of what they are going through. I still want to but, obviously, the license was not unlimited because my limit has been reached.

You continue to bash everything Aruba with a rpomise that it's only go to step up from here. All the while, you're staying in a free hotel suite, eating for free in our restaurants, and driving a free rental car.
You come to my homeland, bring down a band of vigilantes who destroy a sea turtle's nest in a protected area, bring down a thug who feels free to roam the island harassing the citizens...can you say 'Deportation?'

As we would have said in the sixties, put that in your pipe and smoke it, Beth and Jughead. Don't bogart. Pass it around to Nancy Disgrace, Greta, Mark Furhman, Geraldo and O'Wrongly.

I promise to lighten up.
I detect a lot of anger so early in the morning.. LOL
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Someone stated yesterday that Joran has only told 1 or 2 versions of his story, it's now being reported that the LEAD INVESTIGATOR Lt. Roy Tromp says Joran has offered up 10 different versions of what happened that night.....see the news story from this a.m. below......

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/4806968/detail.html
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Someone stated yesterday that Joran has only told 1 or 2 versions of his story, it's now being reported that the LEAD INVESTIGATOR Lt. Roy Tromp says Joran has offered up 10 different versions of what happened that night.....see the news story from this a.m. below......

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/4806968/detail.html
If a lead investigator tells this insight information then he/she is not a qualified person in my eyes.
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I am not sure how they have so much money. Jug is the head of a factory, and Beth is a speech therapist as far as I know.

The other children are periodically mentioned. Usually that the step-son went to AUA on 03 or 04 with the high school. Also mentioned on tv by BT was that he said C&C was a wild place and NH was told to be careful when there. Her mother should have told her no C&C's while on the trip. She was warned about C&C before ever getting to Aruba. I'm not sure if I ever heard about the other child. I know Dave has spoken about his child and has stated that is why he and his wife do not spend as much time in AUA as the others.
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This thread should be called "let's rip apart the Holloway/Twitty families." Who cares if their daughter is still missing, just don't say anything bad about a place I like to vacation at. It's actually very sad to see how cold and ignorant some of the posters on this board can be. I can tell you this, any new person coming to this board to obtain information on the island will be turned off immediately. Everyone is saying how the media and the families are hurting Aruba tourism, well you better hope they don't come to this board.
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This thread should be called "let's rip apart the Holloway/Twitty families." Who cares if their daughter is still missing, just don't say anything bad about a place I like to vacation at. It's actually very sad to see how cold and ignorant some of the posters on this board can be. I can tell you this, any new person coming to this board to obtain information on the island will be turned off immediately. Everyone is saying how the media and the families are hurting Aruba tourism, well you better hope they don't come to this board.
Think you better visit the place and read everything about NH on these threads before making these assumptions.

Anyone can say anything bad, but back it up with specifics. That is not something you can do since you have never been there.

Aruba is more popular now since all this happened. Hotels are booked and this is not supposed to be a busy season.
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This thread should be called "let's rip apart the Holloway/Twitty families." Who cares if their daughter is still missing, just don't say anything bad about a place I like to vacation at. It's actually very sad to see how cold and ignorant some of the posters on this board can be. I can tell you this, any new person coming to this board to obtain information on the island will be turned off immediately. Everyone is saying how the media and the families are hurting Aruba tourism, well you better hope they don't come to this board.
Robo,

I see your point but... these threads have been going on since Natalee went missing. There were thousands of posts in the beginning that stated how upset everyone was and that we sympathize with the Twitty's. We still do! If you have watched the entire process, you can see just how her (Beth's) demeanor has changed throughout the process. She get's more sarcastic and angry. As I've stated in previous posts, I cannot begin to imagine what the family is going through. I for one refuse to take pot shots at the family but she needs to quit taking shots at the island that welcomed her in with open arms and basically gave her everything for free.

I'm not defending Aruba. I do believe that their LE had numerous blunders and if tourism takes a shot.. so be it.... But the Twitty's should quit bashing the place because their daughter hasn't been found. That does no one any good!
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Robo, I'm not defending Aruba. I do believe that their LE had numerous blunders and if tourism takes a shot.. so be it.... But the Twitty's should quit bashing the place because their daughter hasn't been found. That does no one any good!
The voice of reason... I've said this right from the beginning.
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robo, i should delete you but i am feeling benevolent this morning so instead i will respond. for approximately 6,000 posts we have sympathized with the tritty family. we still sympathize with dave holloway. however, as the story has evolved in the last few weeks, beth has spent so much time lying and creating tall tales, making irrational demands, being rude, offending people, insisting that the police do things that she knows are illegal, bringing in investigators that do things they know are illegal, that we are turned off to them.

you, having never been to aruba can only see one side of things and obviously came to this bb to reap the vicarious thrills of reading about this family. you lack much of the information and haven't learned any respect for the island. we started with respect for both island and family. read thru the first 6000 posts. we still have respect for the situation but we have absolutely no respect for beth and jug.

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This thread should be called "let's rip apart the Holloway/Twitty families." Who cares if their daughter is still missing, just don't say anything bad about a place I like to vacation at. It's actually very sad to see how cold and ignorant some of the posters on this board can be. I can tell you this, any new person coming to this board to obtain information on the island will be turned off immediately. Everyone is saying how the media and the families are hurting Aruba tourism, well you better hope they don't come to this board.
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robo, i should delete you but i am feeling benevolent this morning so instead i will respond. for approximately 6,000 posts we have sympathized with the tritty family. we still sympathize with dave holloway. however, as the story has evolved in the last few weeks, beth has spent so much time lying and creating tall tales, making irrational demands, being rude, offending people, insisting that the police do things that she knows are illegal, bringing in investigators that do things they know are illegal, that we are turned off to them.

you, having never been to aruba can only see one side of things and obviously came to this bb to reap the vicarious thrills of reading about this family. you lack much of the information and haven't learned any respect for the island. we started with respect for both island and family. read thru the first 6000 posts. we still have respect for the situation but we have absolutely no respect for beth and jug.
Sherry, I take it that your vacation can not come soon enough?
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Wow you miss a day on here and alot of reading to catch up on! Charlierat, good information, I was thinking it may be a "snobbish" community, I also have thought all along that Beth may have had a very poor relationship with Natalee and probably didn't know half of what that girl was doing or anything, I have never thought she was miss naive and innocent like she has been portrayed, I have 3 step children just a little older, so I am very familiar with teenagers. And whoever said she probably ran away from that uptight family-that's always been in the back of my mind too, alot of things just don't add up to a "perfect little wholesome christian family" they are trying to portray. My first feeling of Beth and Jug on tv was that they were very concerned about "family image" and protecting that. I have known families like that and usually there is alot of stuff they are trying to hide! I used to be really sure that Joran had something to do with her disappearance and I guess I still do, but I give more thought to other possibilities now too! I hope we will find out what really happened some day or this will drive me nuts!

So is robo taking Gary's place on the board????? Sorry, just had to ask!
I think we all held our tongues for a long time in regards to what Beth and her camp have said about Aruba and the people there out of respect for their situation and I think it's about time they have to start paying for thier room and board and rental cars! Where in the U.S or elsewhere do you get all that when someone in your family comes up missing?? I haven't heard of anywhere so if someone knows, enlighten me please! I think they are now bordering on taking advantage of the kind people of Aruba.
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Ice Princess,

Did you see 6FU this past week? This might be their best season yet. I can't believe there are only two episodes left.
I'd hate to think that after the final episode, I might have to watch Nancy Disgrace, or Greta......ugh, maybe I'll go to the gym!
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This thread should be called "let's rip apart the Holloway/Twitty families." Who cares if their daughter is still missing, just don't say anything bad about a place I like to vacation at. It's actually very sad to see how cold and ignorant some of the posters on this board can be. I can tell you this, any new person coming to this board to obtain information on the island will be turned off immediately. Everyone is saying how the media and the families are hurting Aruba tourism, well you better hope they don't come to this board.
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As a matter of fact, we are owners of multiple timeshares on the island, and will be back the second week of Sept for the third time in 7 months.
I have a hard time believing you own multiple time shares in Aruba. If you truly own there, then you would see where Aruba is getting bad publicity when it is not right. The Arubans have given the Twittys so much and Aruba only gets bashed by them in return. You have either not been following this story or have not been watching TV. Anyone who owns a time share or visits regularly is irate with what is happening. At first everyone felt sympathy, now the twittys have stepped over the line.

Since you know Aruba so well, please start a new thread to attract the new tourists. Just make sure no one is turned off imediately.

I think your owning a time share is a lie! It's funny how people can make up an identity they want on BB's. I feel your identity is made up and you are changing your user profile verbally as needed to back up your writings.
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This thread should be called "let's rip apart the Holloway/Twitty families." Who cares if their daughter is still missing, just don't say anything bad about a place I like to vacation at. It's actually very sad to see how cold and ignorant some of the posters on this board can be. I can tell you this, any new person coming to this board to obtain information on the island will be turned off immediately. Everyone is saying how the media and the families are hurting Aruba tourism, well you better hope they don't come to this board.
I think there really are numerous insensitive comments amongst the thousands of posts on these Natalee threads. Maybe the "mystery" has taken on a life of its own and people have forgotten the feelings of some of the people who might be reading these boards. I guess I am specifically thinking of arbeej, the mom of one of the kids who was on the trip to Aruba and the person who first came to these boards seeking help and who started the Natalee thread ball rolling. I haven't seen her post in ages. I actually hope she stopped reading I suspect that some of the comments just got too hard for her to read. But I don't want to speak for her as an authority on her which I certainly am not. This paragraph is my opinion. You all don't have to agree with it or attack me because of it. We all have opinions here and they don't have to be the same.

On a separate issue-----
About the PI having to leave the island because of working there without proper permissions, etc. I wonder if Greta, Heraldo, etc. and their entire crews who are on the island performing work for which they are paid are likewise there without the proper legal issues in place.
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Good point! Maybe they'll get sent home!

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About the PI having to leave the island because of working there without proper permissions, etc. I wonder if Greta, Heraldo, etc. and their entire crews who are on the island performing work for which they are paid are likewise there without the proper legal issues in place.
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I think there really are numerous insensitive comments amongst the thousands of posts on these Natalee threads. Maybe the "mystery" has taken on a life of its own and people have forgotten the feelings of some of the people who might be reading these boards. I guess I am specifically thinking of arbeej, the mom of one of the kids who was on the trip to Aruba and the person who first came to these boards seeking help and who started the Natalee thread ball rolling. I haven't seen her post in ages. I actually hope she stopped reading I suspect that some of the comments just got too hard for her to read. But I don't want to speak for her as an authority on her which I certainly am not. This paragraph is my opinion. You all don't have to agree with it or attack me because of it. We all have opinions here and they don't have to be the same.

I agree with you all the way, td! We have lost arbeej and a couple of other good posters from Aruba and the US!
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Sherry, you scared me. I just finished my morning rant and went to submit it and got the message that the thread was closed. Momentary panic.

Anyway, what I said was, I have a little spare time this morning so I am going to start bright and early.

A few days ago, I passed on some info about Mountain Brook, Alabama. Some of this will be repetitious but, Mountain Brook is the most affluent community in the State. The average household income is six figures and I suspect that the first figure is not a 'one.' It is a snobbish, elitist, cliquish enclave populated by a class of social supremacists who truly believe, not just that they are better than us commoners, but that the rest of are are supposed to understand and accept their superiority. That's where this 'I'm entitled' attitude comes from.

So now these overprivileged freeloaders are back; and this time, they're "really angry." Well, so am I.

Here's a little Natalee anecdote that I haven't shared before out of deference to the family. I have a friend who moonlights as a bartender at private parties and catered events. He has worked lots of functions in Mountain Brook over the years and has met the Twits, including Natalee. At a recent (pre high school graduation) party, he recalls how Natalee snuck up to him and tried to get him to pour her some wine. In the process, she got real flirty with him. This is our perfect chaste little naive angel that would never do any wrong.

I have given the family unlimited license because of what they are going through. I still want to but, obviously, the license was not unlimited because my limit has been reached.

You continue to bash everything Aruba with a promise that it's only go to step up from here. All the while, you're staying in a free hotel suite, eating for free in our restaurants, and driving a free rental car.
You come to my homeland, bring down a band of vigilantes who destroy a sea turtle's nest in a protected area, bring down a thug who feels free to roam the island harassing the citizens...can you say 'Deportation?'

As we would have said in the sixties, put that in your pipe and smoke it, Beth and Jughead. Don't bogart. Pass it around to Nancy Disgrace, Greta, Mark Furhman, Geraldo and O'Wrongly.

I promise to lighten up.
Does it really matter if someone is wealthy? I would think the main thing is that Natalie be found and the people responsible for this are brought to justice!!
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There have been 1371 posts on this thread. You just quoted the 6th post and then tried to revive a topic that was discussed at length 2 weeks ago.
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They all agreed that that only the Americans are keeping this alive with their news shows and bulletin boards; none of which have facts, only speculation.
I agree 100% - the sooner we all realize this and give it a rest, the sooner we'll all get some rest. The only place for facts is within the files of ALE and the FBI. I also agree that Joran may well walk on Sept 4, unless there is some bombshell evidence we're unaware of (very possible).
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Does it really matter if someone is wealthy? I would think the main thing is that Natalie be found and the people responsible for this are brought to justice!!
No, it really doesn't matter, at least not where I'm standing from. - Still, don't forget that you're threading up against a whole lot of 'Baby Boomers' on this: the most Self Centered, Idealistic, & Greedy generation America ever spawned.

Were talking the same Cocaine 2 Rogaine, Teddy Kennedy Generations that once scorned everything about Life Americana, especially when most were feeling a few wild oats in the 60's and 70's Nam’ yrs.

Funny thing is that today, most of these very same people can't seem to scream & whine for Government Protection & Social Security loud enough, even though few ever cared about anyone else’s Social Welfare or Security, back then?

Ah, well, but of course, we're all very much aware of the fact that all it takes is a small pittance of a check to stop the bad guys, today.
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Does it really matter if someone is wealthy? I would think the main thing is that Natalie be found and the people responsible for this are brought to justice!!

Yes it really does matter when the Twittys are having benefits and asking for donations from people who can least afford to give donations to support her shopping, Aruba vacation, Casino visits, buying a home in Aruba, yes it does matter when the funds are referred to as being a "search fund".

And she goes on TV 24-7 claiming to be this "holier than thou attitude" poor little mother just searching for her daughter and fighting this evil govt there in Aruba.

People need to see her as she really is not as the media is portraying her.
The better than everyone elitist attitude at home and the poor little Mom in Aruba and on TV. Sure she and DAVE have a missing daughter that is fact and no one would want to be in their shoes, but also who could afford to do all she is able to, MAYBE because of donations, maybe because of their wealth, but the majority of us if faced with such a type tragedy could not afford all she is to find the missing girl.
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Sure she and DAVE have a missing daughter that is fact and no one would want to be in their shoes, but also who could afford to do all she is able to, MAYBE because of donations, maybe because of their wealth, but the majority of us if faced with such a type tragedy could not afford all she is to find the missing girl.
It sounds like you resent that fact that she can afford to do the things that she's doing - are you saying that she shouldn't spend what she has, because others in her position couldn't afford to? If I was her and was wealthy, I wouldn't be in Bama - I'd be in Aruba just like she is.

Don't resent her for being wealthy, that's not the issue. And until we have some proof, let's not continue to claim that she bought a house in Aruba.

Lastly, don't look at me as a Beth fan, I'm just a fair-fight fan.
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this is my first posting on this site. i just happened on it tonight. i gotta tell you though i have seen everything now. i'm not going to lower myself to be ignorant but, i want to say something. to those of you who have children , you should be very grateful that this is not your child missing . i read somewhere about a person saying things about the twitty family because they might have money and saying terrible things about them. about how they are snobs , ect,ect,. first off how do you know that ? do you know beth or jug ? do you know natalee ? i doubt it . are you saying things about joran ,kalpoes or their families ???? why not ? hmm, if i am correct, the vander sloot's have money , too. why not slander them too ? let me just say that you never know someone untill you have walked a mile in their shoes !!! since it is not you in beth holloways shoes and by the way, you better count your blessings that it is not, you should just keep your mouth closed if you have nothing good to say ...how can anyone who is spitting out crap from their mouths about this terrible thing that has happend sleep at night ? if it was my daughter, i would be on every newscast. radio show or anything else to find her and would you ?
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And dj54, this will probably be your last post when those moderators get up this morning and read your post. Wow, you need to get out your dictionary or click on spell check. If you read the posts on this BB you will see that Gary is gone, you will most likely be next with that attitude.
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this is my first posting on this site. i just happened on it tonight. i gotta tell you though i have seen everything now. i'm not going to lower myself to be ignorant but, i want to say something. to those of you who have children , you should be very grateful that this is not your child missing . i read somewhere about a person saying things about the twitty family because they might have money and saying terrible things about them. about how they are snobs , ect,ect,. first off how do you know that ? do you know beth or jug ? do you know natalee ? i doubt it . are you saying things about joran ,kalpoes or their families ???? why not ? hmm, if i am correct, the vander sloot's have money , too. why not slander them too ? let me just say that you never know someone untill you have walked a mile in their shoes !!! since it is not you in beth holloways shoes and by the way, you better count your blessings that it is not, you should just keep your mouth closed if you have nothing good to say ...how can anyone who is spitting out crap from their mouths about this terrible thing that has happend sleep at night ? if it was my daughter, i would be on every newscast. radio show or anything else to find her and would you ?
My comment.
That was going to be used for you know who only, but I wake up today and have already used it twice. By using this, I get into no trouble.

Kevin are you going to use your magic finger again? POOF!

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Notice the line: i will never visit aruba


This leads me to believe that this person came in just to bash Aruba
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I was flipping through the channels last night as my stuff tapes when I am sleeping. I am surprised that no one said anything about Ruben Trapenberg on O'Reilly. What a set up! Charlie you said you watched it, no comment?

The start was something like, Is Aruba Being Set Up? Started off good, then O'Reilly aks why Aruba doesn't pay for all the twitty's bills. I thought Trapenburg would keel over (he should have). His response, they don't need to, the hotels are comping the bills along with others paying for things. They have also spent millions on trying to find her. Millions in the US may not be much, but in a country that small, it is a huge burden.

Enough is enough. This is out of control.

Does anyone have Trapenberg's e-mail? He says he has been gettnig nasty e-mails, I would like to send him a nice one.
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let me just say that you never know someone untill you have walked a mile in their shoes !!!



That is simply a bunk statement that condones and excuses any behavior by another person(s). Most people have the ability to observe and listen and to then think and apply their own experience.to assess that behavior, and discern what is appropriate or not.

So using these skills,let me say:1) the behavior of the HT's is rude; and 1) your post is rubbish.
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Good morning, everybody.

Especially you, Ice. I woke up, read the overnight posts, heaved big sigh, then got to your posts, Ice. Nothing I can say that you haven't already said (or expressed without words, with a little help from blenchi).

But, of course, I'm going to say something anyway. A recent recurrent theme has been to suggest that we are being too hard on the family. To borrow an expression from last night, this has been discussed and debated on this thread ad nauseam and it's getting redundant.

The family has been given near unlimited license to handle the situation however they saw fit. They chose the tack that we have seen unfold over the course of the summer. I think I can safely say with the benefit of hindsight, it has been an ineffective strategy and, in the final analysis, has resulted in unnecessary hard feelings. That's putting it mildly. The license has just about expired.

Yeah, I saw Mr. Trapenberg on O'Reilly last night. That question (about paying all the Twitty's bills) was up there with the stupidest questions I have ever seen anyone ever asked on live TV. Surely O'Reilly knows about hotels, meals and transportation being comp'ed, equipment being donated, etc, etc. I don't know what he was trying to bait Mr. Trapenberg into saying.
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Yeah, I saw Mr. Trapenberg on O'Reilly last night. That question (about paying all the Twitty's bills) was up there with the stupidest questions I have ever seen anyone ever asked on live TV. Surely O'Reilly knows about hotels, meals and transportation being comp'ed, equipment being donated, etc, etc. I don't know what he was trying to bait Mr. Trapenberg into saying.
Did you see his face when he said that? That came way out of left field. I felt sorry for him. He did keep his cool though, like all the Arubans have been doing. How can they stay so calm? I am definately more high strung.

What I am now doing, if anyone wants to join in, is adding negatively to people's reputation (it's the scale by the post #). Don't know if it will do anything, but I did it anyway. I have also sent a bad post notification (the red yield sign) for one post. Also, not sure what that will do. I'm going to start doing that all the time, positive and negative for the reputaions.
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I watched the re-play of O'Bill O'Reilly early this morning. The interview with Ruben Trapenberg, poor guy O'Bill tried really hard to make this guy slip up, as is his usual technique, he tried to put words in Trapenbergs mouth, but to no avail, Ole Ruben is wise to O'Bill. I wonder if BHT really realizes that the resorts, (now the Wyndom) do NOT have to foot her bill for her room, the car rental agency does NOT have to give her a car, and the restaurants do NOT have to give them all free meals. But they do, and she continues to bash everything about Aruba, so why should the Aruba Government pay, seems to me their bills are already being taken care of, and that BHT is taking total advantage of all of these companies. I am of the opinion that she really has jeapardized the case by approaching Deepak at the Internet Cafe, and then had the nerve to return the next day, good for Deepak for not being there. Ole BHT better watch out or she will be in the cell next to Joran if she keeps up her foolishness.
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I am of the opinion that she really has jeapardized the case by approaching Deepak at the Internet Cafe, and then had the nerve to return the next day, good for Deepak for not being there. Ole BHT better watch out or she will be in the cell next to Joran if she keeps up her foolishness.
She has been jeorardizing the case since she set foot on Aruba. She would love to be in the cell next to him so she could "interogate" him. And Jug is "so proud" of her for harassing Deepak. Such sorry souls.
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<< snip>> Ole BHT better watch out or she will be in the cell next to Joran if she keeps up her foolishness.

Hi, Pgsoder and all...

I highlighted the key words in your last comment. Did it cross your mind that she may very well be trying for that... but she is not being taken in, just to prevent that scenario from happening?

Personal opinion: Beth IS getting pretty out of control now, after this many days of no resolution to this tragic case. I think she is teetering on the brink of a nervous breakdown, even though she appears to be very strong and strong-willed. And because of all that is going on, I don't think anyone in her family or circle of friends would feel comfortable in taking her aside and talking to her about settling it down several notches. Someone on this board posted about her teenage son back home, and that he was staying with relatives. She hasn't spent much time at home with him during these past 2 1/2 months, and I believe (agree with that poster) that this is very detrimental to him and their future relationship. I have not heard her mention him (other than maybe once), and she does not wave to him or send "I love you" messages back to him when she is on camera being interviewed. This HAS to be hurtful to him... after all, HE lost a sister and is grieving, too, and his parents are now constantly away! Beth REALLY needs to get her fanny back home and tend to her LIVING child before it's too late... in more ways than one! Aruba needs a break from her, too! With the internet, phones, media, etc., she will still be in contact. I also think someone in Aruban LE (or U.S. LE) could promise to keep in contact with her and update her periodically -- without compromising their investigation -- if she and Jug would go home and give it a break for (quite) a while!

An observation and suggestion: This board has a lot of pretty savvy people on it, and I have seen some good things written. Some even address Beth, as though she is reading this board. I don't think so, or I believe she would be commenting back. Since her family and friends are not reining her in, may I please suggest that some of you construct a well-thought out letter/E-mail and send it to her, to call attention to these things that we see as defeating her ultimate purpose? Perhaps Sherry, Kevin, Corrine, Sandra, Blenchi, Elaine, Charlie (from a legal standpoint), and maybe one or two others, could put together a tasteful letter that would reflect the feelings (and sympathy) of the greatest majority of this board, and we could agree to sending it to her. Her family and friends will probably NOT approach the subject with her, for fear of alienation; however, we, as "outsiders", have nothing to lose (i.e., she isn't "speaking" to us, anyway!). You would all be doing her, the family, and the people of Aruba a GREAT SERVICE if your sincere words could get through to her that she needs to go back and spend more time with her LIVING family! It does NOT mean she is giving up the search for Natalee; only that she is taking care of her family and herself for a while! Hopefully, she can also get some counseling to help her deal with the days ahead! She really has a whole lot more to lose than Natalee, if she doesn't get a grip on herself!

Final comments: So, are you all up for doing something constructive like this? There have already been some excellent opinions and observations made on this board, which could be excerpted into a letter. It would need to be edited and "cleaned up" a little in places... but you already have a good start within these threads. What say you??!!

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Geez.....you people have been really busy typing...each time I try to catch up...and I finally think I have...I get a couple of new pages to read...

Anyway....I have been having these thoughts/feelings these last couple of weeks. I don't know if I can really put it into (the right) words, but I will try...

We all know this is a tragedy for the family and friends of NH. We obviously all feel for them too.....

But...I have really noticed that...anyone and everyone who tries to criticize NH's family for their attitude or things they have done and are doing gets bashed immediatly. They are immediatly considered cold-hearted and insensitive because they are "bashing" someone who has a missing daughter and is going through this horrible ordeal. To those people I want to say -We all know this is horrible for the family. I think Aruba in general has done a lot to help, but where's the limit? How much do we have to take and accept...how much do we owe them really? Is it wrong if we feel offended by some of the things NH's family have done? Why do you expect this case to be solved as soon as possible when there are millions of other missing persons cases that have never been solved, or solved after..10...20..30 years? Haven't we done to this point more than what any other country would do or would have done to find a missing person?-what more do you expect?

Do you call the people who did their best to help you cold-hearted and insensitive? If so, what do you think the parents of thousands of other missing persons should call the people who didn't even bother to help them when their child went missing- and are watching how this case is getting so much attention? Is Natalee MORE special than any other missing person? I don't think so. Every single person is special...life is special...

My point is why call someone cold-hearted or insensitive just because they have some criticism about the ways things are being done? And to say- you should walk a mile in their shoes/ you don't know what they are going through/ you don't have a missing child- is just a way of saying you people should accept it all and give them whatever they want no matter what, even if they offend and ridicule you.

I am not cold-hearted/insensitive but I really think there are limits. If I had a missing relative I would be more than grateful that I have EVEN received so much help (which most people never get anyway).

Aruba doesn't give something to get something in return. I as an Aruban don't want the GRATITUDE for the things Aruba has done for this family. But- a little respect for our way of life and country will go a long way. We respect the family, we know they are going through hell, but that is not an excuse to accept everything they do.

So go ahead...call me the cold-hearted and insensitive Aruban.
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Geez.....you people have been really busy typing...each time I try to catch up...and I finally think I have...I get a couple of new pages to read...

Anyway....I have been having these thoughts/feelings these last couple of weeks. I don't know if I can really put it into (the right) words, but I will try...

We all know this is a tragedy for the family and friends of NH. We obviously all feel for them too.....

But...I have really noticed that...anyone and everyone who tries to criticize NH's family for their attitude or things they have done and are doing gets bashed immediatly. They are immediatly considered cold-hearted and insensitive because they are "bashing" someone who has a missing daughter and is going through this horrible ordeal. To those people I want to say -We all know this is horrible for the family. I think Aruba in general has done a lot to help, but where's the limit? How much do we have to take and accept...how much do we owe them really? Is it wrong if we feel offended by some of the things NH's family have done? Why do you expect this case to be solved as soon as possible when there are millions of other missing persons cases that have never been solved, or solved after..10...20..30 years? Haven't we done to this point more than what any other country would do or would have done to find a missing person?-what more do you expect?

Do you call the people who did their best to help you cold-hearted and insensitive? If so, what do you think the parents of thousands of other missing persons should call the people who didn't even bother to help them when their child went missing- and are watching how this case is getting so much attention? Is Natalee MORE special than any other missing person? I don't think so. Every single person is special...life is special...

My point is why call someone cold-hearted or insensitive just because they have some criticism about the ways things are being done? And to say- you should walk a mile in their shoes/ you don't know what they are going through/ you don't have a missing child- is just a way of saying you people should accept it all and give them whatever they want no matter what, even if they offend and ridicule you.

I am not cold-hearted/insensitive but I really think there are limits. If I had a missing relative I would be more than grateful that I have EVEN received so much help (which most people never get anyway).

Aruba doesn't give something to get something in return. I as an Aruban don't want the GRATITUDE for the things Aruba has done for this family. But- a little respect for our way of life and country will go a long way. We respect the family, we know they are going through hell, but that is not an excuse to accept everything they do.

So go ahead...call me the cold-hearted and insensitive Aruban.
You are so right. Can you get the e-mail address for Ruben Trapenburg and PM me with it? I can't find it online.
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this is my first posting on this site. i just happened on it tonight. i gotta tell you though i have seen everything now. i'm not going to lower myself to be ignorant but, i want to say something. to those of you who have children , you should be very grateful that this is not your child missing . i read somewhere about a person saying things about the twitty family because they might have money and saying terrible things about them. about how they are snobs , ect,ect,. first off how do you know that ? do you know beth or jug ? do you know natalee ? i doubt it . are you saying things about joran ,kalpoes or their families ???? why not ? hmm, if i am correct, the vander sloot's have money , too. why not slander them too ? let me just say that you never know someone untill you have walked a mile in their shoes !!! since it is not you in beth holloways shoes and by the way, you better count your blessings that it is not, you should just keep your mouth closed if you have nothing good to say ...how can anyone who is spitting out crap from their mouths about this terrible thing that has happend sleep at night ? if it was my daughter, i would be on every newscast. radio show or anything else to find her and would you ?

First off Beth and Jug have been on TV everyday for almost three months, so yeah I kind of do know them. Do I sympathize with them, sure I do but that doesn't mean I have to like the way they are going about everything or agree with it.

Personally the Van Der Sloots seem to be nicer people with much more class and grace but this isn't about the Twits or the VDS it's about Natalee .

As for the question what I would do if I were in her situation well I would hope that I would follow in the footsteps of the thousands of other parents who have missing children. I would hope I would focus the investigation on my child and beg and plead and yes kiss butt.

I would like to know what good is coming from the Twitty's attitude? Is Natalee found?

All I can see is hatred being spread. I am also shocked at some people’s reactions, I can't believe how some people can think they are the judge and jury and executioner. ( I know there are no jury trials in Aruba, LOL)

I am the kind of person who can have sympathy for all the families involved and to see how one tragic night has destroyed so many families.
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Personally the Van Der Sloots seem to be nicer people with much more class and grace but this isn't about the Twits or the VDS it's about Natalee .

I would hope I would focus the investigation on my child and beg and plead and yes kiss butt.
You are right the VDS and the Kalpoe's are both nicer people with more class. That is obvious from Deepak letting her say her peace for 90 mins. I strongly doubt that no one in the cafe heard what she was saying as they say on tv.

Yes, I think everyone would be kissing a*s if they were in the same predictament, everyone, that is, except for the HT's.
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Dear Robo,
I totally agree with you about the bashing of the holloway/twitty families...I posted a not real nice message on that and got a reply telling me how bad i was. I posted my feelings because i have not been to alot of boards where they are saying this type of things about the families so, i couldn't believe it . and then i was angry so i just typed and the person who replied, made comments about my spelling . i could care less about that because i wasn't there to learn how to spell. i can spell fine , i have a hard time seeing though. i'm sure that person would laugh about that , too. you are right, i won't be coming back to this site again. i will stay on the ones who are dedicated to being compassionate human beings. I hope natalee's family doesn't visit this one. I can't imagine how they would feel if they read some of the things here. I live in a small town where there is also a missing mom ,very young, and I have never heard anyone saying anything derogatory towards the family . Well, unlike some people, I am grateful that I am not in Holloway/Twitty 's shoes ...But, i will continue to morally support them despite ignorant people on some of these places ..And, thank you ROBO for speaking out .
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Dear Robo,
I totally agree with you about the bashing of the holloway/twitty families...I posted a not real nice message on that and got a reply telling me how bad i was. I posted my feelings because i have not been to alot of boards where they are saying this type of things about the families so, i couldn't believe it . and then i was angry so i just typed and the person who replied, made comments about my spelling . i could care less about that because i wasn't there to learn how to spell. i can spell fine , i have a hard time seeing though. i'm sure that person would laugh about that , too. you are right, i won't be coming back to this site again. i will stay on the ones who are dedicated to being compassionate human beings. I hope natalee's family doesn't visit this one. I can't imagine how they would feel if they read some of the things here. I live in a small town where there is also a missing mom ,very young, and I have never heard anyone saying anything derogatory towards the family . Well, unlike some people, I am grateful that I am not in Holloway/Twitty 's shoes ...But, i will continue to morally support them despite ignorant people on some of these places ..And, thank you ROBO for speaking out .
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this is my first posting on this site. i just happened on it tonight. i gotta tell you though i have seen everything now. i'm not going to lower myself to be ignorant but, i want to say something. to those of you who have children , you should be very grateful that this is not your child missing . i read somewhere about a person saying things about the twitty family because they might have money and saying terrible things about them. about how they are snobs , ect,ect,. first off how do you know that ? do you know beth or jug ? do you know natalee ? i doubt it . are you saying things about joran ,kalpoes or their families ???? why not ? hmm, if i am correct, the vander sloot's have money , too. why not slander them too ? let me just say that you never know someone untill you have walked a mile in their shoes !!! since it is not you in beth holloways shoes and by the way, you better count your blessings that it is not, you should just keep your mouth closed if you have nothing good to say ...how can anyone who is spitting out crap from their mouths about this terrible thing that has happend sleep at night ? if it was my daughter, i would be on every newscast. radio show or anything else to find her and would you ?



That is fine with me. You have to go aalllll the way to the beginning, which is apparent that you did not. Yes, we all feel for her, but she can make make up stories, change stories and not give credit to the Arubans where she should.

I live in a small town where there is also a missing mom ,very young, and I have never heard anyone saying anything derogatory towards the family . And isn't there something wrong in that we have no clue who you are talking about. Why not? Because the family does not have the influence so that the whole world can know.

But, i will continue to morally support them despite ignorant people on some of these places I take this as you are trying to hurt our feelings. I, for one, love the fact that I am ignorant according to you. You are only ignorant if you don't know the WHOLE story. Most of us here do. Most of us have also been to Aruba or are planning a trip there.

you should be very grateful that this is not your child missing I think most have mentioned that. Just look back several thousand threads.

hmm, if i am correct, the vander sloot's have money , too. why not slander them too ? hmm, they have not said anything negative about anyone, they do not need to be "slandered". As a matter of fact, when interviewed months ago, Mrs. VDS was quite sympathetic to the HT's. Joran should not be called a "predator" and other things. It is not proven that he is guilty, (by the judge, not a jury). The father, if indeed he said it, was telling the truth, "No body, no crime". Something I am sure a lot of parents would say. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.

you should just keep your mouth closed if you have nothing good to say ...how can anyone who is spitting out crap from their mouths about this terrible thing that has happend sleep at night ? Not sure, ask Greta, Nancy Grace, Hannity & Colmes...should I go on?

if it was my daughter, i would be on every newscast. radio show or anything else to find her and would you ? Hate to say it, but unless you had pull, like the twitty's it would never happen. Like I said, how come we have not heard about the missing mother in your town?
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