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Old Monday, February 1st, 2010, 04:39 PM
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Corporate greed and the desire to maximize shareholder returns (perhaps not successfully accomplished, considering the economic environment at the time the project was started) have conspired to make the Phoenix into something that it need not have become. I am referring, of course, to the new section, which competes with the Riu Palace for the honor of being the least necessary addition to Palm Beach. Where to begin? Well, first, the quiet beach that attracted us to the Phoenix in the first place is now much more crowded, and the addition of a few palapas on the rocky shingle heading towards the public beach (most of which are not used because of the less desirable beach, the Cancun-like shadow of the last building of the new section blocking out the sun in the morning, and the wind tunnel effect of the building at that point) does nothing to make up for the addition of all those people.

Next, the need to compete with other resorts in providing lots of loud but not necessarily high quality entertainment events in the new restaurant (with the kind of dumb name "Purebeach": what does that mean???) detracts from the laid back nature of the resort. Why not at least bring in some local island music? Sorry, but we will stick with the Sunset Bistro (till they decide to eliminate it, like they did with the French Market). At least the gym is still there!

I dread what it will be like next year, when even more units are sold.
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Old Monday, February 1st, 2010, 04:45 PM
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oh dear, i now have to tell my friends that the french market is no longer there. she will be heartbroken. that is her snack and sandwich spot daily.

pirate, i was under the impression that the new beach area was going to be dredged completely and that the crowding was only temporary until the dredging was done. is that not going to happen?

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Corporate greed and the desire to maximize shareholder returns (perhaps not successfully accomplished, considering the economic environment at the time the project was started) have conspired to make the Phoenix into something that it need not have become. I am referring, of course, to the new section, which competes with the Riu Palace for the honor of being the least necessary addition to Palm Beach. Where to begin? Well, first, the quiet beach that attracted us to the Phoenix in the first place is now much more crowded, and the addition of a few palapas on the rocky shingle heading towards the public beach (most of which are not used because of the less desirable beach, the Cancun-like shadow of the last building of the new section blocking out the sun in the morning, and the wind tunnel effect of the building at that point) does nothing to make up for the addition of all those people.

Next, the need to compete with other resorts in providing lots of loud but not necessarily high quality entertainment events in the new restaurant (with the kind of dumb name "Purebeach": what does that mean???) detracts from the laid back nature of the resort. Why not at least bring in some local island music? Sorry, but we will stick with the Sunset Bistro (till they decide to eliminate it, like they did with the French Market). At least the gym is still there!

I dread what it will be like next year, when even more units are sold.
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Old Monday, February 1st, 2010, 04:51 PM
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There is the new Deli, but it's not the same. the sandwiches and salads are pre-made and the help is also not happy with the new, non-air-conditioned location.

If they do dredge and improve the beach, that might help (at least for a while), but with that jetty there, it may just revert to its current condition after a storm or two.
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Old Monday, February 1st, 2010, 09:26 PM
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Ditto, ditto,ditto etc.......
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Old Tuesday, February 2nd, 2010, 01:23 PM
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I remember reading posts that the beach was dredged last year. When we visited in the summer, the water in front of the new palapas was somewhat seaweed-free. However, as we noticed over the course of two weeks, the seaweed returned and the water between the two jettys became very murky. Clearly, the current continues to bring the seaweed in.

Also, the problem is not rocks as one poster had mentioned, but a lack of sand. My guess is that there is a layer of coral/rock along the shoreline that becomes exposed as the sand recedes. It seems like the current actually drives the sand towards the RIU, as the sand below the waterline at that beach was very soft.

As for the French Market, what is now going to be done with the building where the market used to be? Clearly, Divi was trying to put the lobby and market in the center of their new complex, but I have to wonder if the old building will now become another restaurant or a retail store. Might be a good question to ask Doug Kuhn.
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Wow - not to take away from your opinion but I have to say that we love the "new" Phoenix. We were there for two weeks in october (and we happily upgraded to one of the new buildings). Maybe it was the time of year but the palapas were plentiful and the beach area was still beautiful with plenty of quiet spots to relax. We too did not bother with the new area of beach as there was plenty of space in front of the old section.
We thought the new Purebeach restaurant and bar was fantastic - although the food a bit pricey. Their happy hours were great with 1/2 price drinks versus 2 for 1.

They had not moved the French Deli at that time and the new lobby was being worked on but we were thrilled with the new pool area and all the improvements and figured they were putting our maintenance fees to good use.
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I must disagree with what you said and what the other poster said about the Divi Phoenix being "just another Palm Beach resort." Untrue on both counts.

Try owning at the Marriott, where it is now virtually impossible to get a Palapa or a decent poolside lounge chair. I don't rent there anymore as I did for seven consecutive visits. I did stop by during the week after Easter to visit friends there, and they hadn't even been assigned to a unit yet and were still staying at the hotel. The lazy river was jammed, the beach overcrowded and so many people at the bar and Captain's Galley that they couldn't even get the attention of wait staff. One woman told me she was waiting over 45 minutes just to get a drink for her child.

No thanks. The Divi Phoenix is much better. Not overrun by unruly "tweens" not controlled by their parents and not over-crowded at all by high-rise standards.

What's wrong with the name "Pure Beach"? After all, it's right on the beach, is it not? Come on, lighten up! Try MooMbas if you want lousy, rude service. Then perhaps you'll come to appreciate the better end of the high-rise strip.
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Old Friday, April 16th, 2010, 03:01 PM
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Chacun a son goute, as we say around here. I've never tried the Marriott, but I know how crowded that end of the beach gets, as we walk up there every day we're here. We did stay at the Playa Linda (where there have been fist fights over palapas, or "chikees" as they are known up there) before we bought here, and I can see that the Phoenix is heading more that way than like, say, the Bucuti.

Perhaps the Phoenix is not yet "overrun by unruly "tweens" not controlled by their parents and not over-crowded at all by high-rise standards", but with the new addition, which is not yet full, it is certainly on its way, in my view, comparing 2010 with previous years. All those new units and virtually nothing in the way of decent beach to accommodate everyone: it's not going to get less crowded.

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Chacun a son gout, ah!, "to each their own" (sigh, Google). I see what you're saying but hoping against it. We have been averaging three visits per year for the past three years. God willing, I'll be able to spend much more time there in my retirement, at which point I plan on making a significant financial investment on the island.

My four year old wants to live there and wants to learn to speak Papiamento. I am ordering material online to start teaching her between now and December, so that she can speak to Bully and his son Kevin.

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Old Friday, April 16th, 2010, 04:51 PM
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Investing and living here are 2 different things than having a vacation, no matter how long you visit. It's a great place, but expect to learn more than you have in the last 20 yrs. visiting. My advice, be patient or you will not come back and wish you didnt move here. I love it !!!!!!!!!!!!
Hear me now and believe me later. I think Arnold Schartzneger said it on SNL ? But it's true. Ask any Expat and go from there. There is no dumb question except the one that is not asked. Just dont ask me
I'm kidding . I'll help anyone who ask.
True, I just came back from the Carribean Rum Store, so this might explain my post !
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Old Friday, April 16th, 2010, 06:16 PM
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Absent winning the lottery my friend, retirement is a long way off as I'm still in my 40's. I'm pretty laid back by nature and already have some friends there who I plan to keep "for life." I don't think I could ever leave the USA permanently, as I have too many friends and family who would not come. So for now, it's our annual trips for Christmas week and Easter week when the baby is off from school, plus a third trip if I can swing it.

I miss rum punch. A lot. Have one for me Jawz, OK? Thanks.
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Old Friday, April 16th, 2010, 09:06 PM
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No offense taken, Jawz. In fact, whenever I visit and see people from my area make asses of themselves, I cringe. It reflects badly upon the New York tri-state area, which is actually one of the most affluent, articulate areas of the USA. Unfortunately, all it takes are a few "Joey and Vinny Bagadonuts" to give everyone else a bad rap.

I don't blame the Aruban people for also cringing at the thought of ex-pats from the US or elsewhere (believe me, Venezuelans are worse) moving there permanently. The main reason I consider spending much more time on the island in my retirement, is the friends living there who encourage me to do so. The love shown to us when we are there is genuine and sweet.

Enjoy the weekend and stay safe.

P.S. I personally would not drive on the island. I prefer to leave the driving to Bully.
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Shannon's Mom,
You certainly have more class than I do.
Your reply to my post shows how ignorant I can be at times.
Regards, I apologize.
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