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Old Friday, April 17th, 2009, 09:54 AM
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Brace yourselves folks. ABCs Good Morning America had a story this morning and did an interview with the actress playing Natalies mother in the Lifetime channels new movie, The natalie Holloway Story. To be aired soon. Filming is complete.
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it will be showing on sunday evening. i think at 9 pm. i will not be watching it. enough is enough.

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The movie is premiering on Lifetime Movie Network this Sunday night at 8 PM.

I would hope, if there is discussion, it can be done in a manner that allows this thread to continue.

No matter what one's view may be, I believe we all want the same thing ~ to find out what happened to this young lady, and bring the person or persons responsible to justice.

However, keep in mind that this movie is just that ~ a movie.

Edited to add: 9 PM ET
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I will not be watching it either and for the same reasons I never bought Dave Hollaway's book......I do feel terrible about their daughter and realize this should have NEVER happened....but what they put Aruba and Arubans thru way too much and spoke too many mis-truths about Aruba and it's people ! One lying snot nosed creep (Joran Van Der Sloot) brought so much pain to the island and I just don't want to contribute to anyone making a dollar off that pain !
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I must admit that I read anything I can, and keep up with any news pertaining to this, and I will definitely watch on Sunday. Different strokes, I guess.
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Kinda interesting that not long ago some guy was here with a dog looking around. I think there might be some more "investigations" that just
happen to be around the same time the show will air.
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I agree----I too will be watching although it pains me to see all the disparaging comments about our beautiful island and its wonderful people.
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I will watch too, thanks for letting us know it will be airing since I didn't even know a movie was in the making. I've read both Dave and Beth books and I feel sad for all involved including Aruba but it has not prevented us from loving the island as much as we do. I guess I am still a tad bit interested in the case. I think my interest started since she went missing from the HI...the resort I've stayed at 13 times and talking with friends who dealt with cameras etc. at the time. I've followed it ever since. Well, that's my two cents
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I am torn...we are tivoing it...I want to see how much bs there is in this movie that is BASED on a true story. I am curious to see how they replicate the island in South Africa....Tracy Pollan said that Beth Twitty did travel there to be on set at some points. I know that when and if we watch it...I will be just as upset about it as I was when we were living with it in real time. I truly do wish the answers would come to light and all involved could get the justice they deserve. Both sides deserve that much. Let's hope this movie doesn't damage Aruba anymore.
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If I thought this movie....Might some how solve what really happened...I would be all for it....but it's all about money...Money generated by someones misery.

It just makes me sick. We have lost are way in society today..
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Large Father -
You are absolutely correct. That said. I watched it last night and it is a sad thing that the actual events were so poorly represented. No one is an angel and no one is a saint. We all know that and

My inward questions are:

On a moral scale - how much money does a lost child weigh?

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If I thought this movie....Might some how solve what really happened...I would be all for it....but it's all about money...Money generated by someones misery.

It just makes me sick. We have lost are way in society today..
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I whole-heartedly agree with the last two posts. I watched the movie and thought that it was rather melodramatic and unrealistic. I also read the book upon which it was based. Suffice it to say, the movie did not stick very close to the story-line of the book (which is probably a good thing).
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charles, what a great question!

there are so many terrible things in the reality of this from all aspects. my heart suffers for the losses by all involved. however, your question is one i have asked myself but never so eloquently.

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You are absolutely correct. That said. I watched it last night and it is a sad thing that the actual events were so poorly represented. No one is an angel and no one is a saint. We all know that and

My inward questions are:

On a moral scale - how much money does a lost child weigh?

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I'll weigh in here as well.

I personally thought the "movie" was very badly done... and, fragmented. As I originally said on this thread, it was simply a "movie," however, I was extremely disappointed. Once you sell the rights, I assume the individuals making the movie can take whatever liberties they want to with a "plot."

That aside, throughout this entire fiasco, I've tried to remove personalities, and for me, the bottom line has always been what happened to this young girl. It's too bad that Aruba received such terrible press, but unfortunately, many people from both sides of the ocean have lied and made money stemming from this case.

As a Mom of a daughter, I can't imagine the loss, more importantly, the not knowing. Would I do things differently then the Mom in question? It's easy to say yes, but until I walked in her shoes, and I hope I never have to, I just don't know.

How much money does a lost child weigh? Good question, Charles.

I have a whole lot more questions, but will refrain....
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I did not watch the movie but will if it comes on again. What happened to Natallee was horrible and I sympathise with her family and everyone involved, but blaming the people of Aruba is totaly unfair. People tend to forget that none of the suspects is Aruban.

As far as safety on Aruba is concerned, here are some FBI stats. There were 16,740 reported murders in the U. S. in 2005. Thats 5.6 per 100,000 residents. There were 374 reported murders in Alabama in 2005. Thats 8.2 per 100,000 residents.
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I also feel the movie was very poorly made and was very inaccurate in parts of the move. In my opinion it was one sided - it portrayed Aruba, the police and its citizens as the bad guys. I believe this was a two sided affair - Natalee should have never gone off with guys and Aruba Police could have done more, but remember - Aruba is not the United States and Natalee was "unchaperoned" at the time. So there is fault on both parties. I will continue to love Aruba, and I feel safe there. I exercise caution on vacation just the same as I do at home. Remember people disappear in the United States also and their disappearances go unsolved. I do feel very bad for Beth Twitty, as I would need closure and the truth as to what happened to my daughter, and no I could never put a price on my daughter's life.

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For some reason, our local cable company does not have this station.

For me, this movie means I am still going to be defending Aruba to all the know-it-all TV watchers I know! It was obviously made for ratings, not to tell the real story............
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I Love Aruba Re: Natalie Holloway Movie

That's the biggest problem, Corrine ~ what IS the real story? Four years later, and we still don't know what happened. Some of us have opinions, but they're just that ~ opinions.

I sure as all hell don't love Aruba any less because of this case, and it's still paradise to me. Having said that, many things gnaw at me about how this was handled...


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For me, this movie means I am still going to be defending Aruba to all the know-it-all TV watchers I know! It was obviously made for ratings, not to tell the real story............
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I did not watch the movie but will if it comes on again. What happened to Natallee was horrible and I sympathise with her family and everyone involved, but blaming the people of Aruba is totaly unfair. People tend to forget that none of the suspects is Aruban.

As far as safety on Aruba is concerned, here are some FBI stats. There were 16,740 reported murders in the U. S. in 2005. Thats 5.6 per 100,000 residents. There were 374 reported murders in Alabama in 2005. Thats 8.2 per 100,000 residents.
For comparison's sake, 2005 was the worst year in Aruba's history for homicides. There were three homicides on Aruba in 2005 (that is not including Natalee Holloway, whose fate is still undetermined).
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I just watched it. Whoever played Dave Holloway looks nothing like him and if I was Dave I would be not happy. I think he at least tried to be appreciative at times.

I guess I am at least happy that it showed that she was drunk at times on the island. It also showed that there were too many kids for the amount of chaperones and that they were not there to babysit. They actually said they were there to hit the casinos also. At least they took some of the blame which is more than I thought they would do.
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Ok, well after watching the movie I just have one question: Is it true that a crowd of people were picketing outside of Beth Holloways' hotel room with signs telling her to go home? Because if it is a complete lie then I am still going to consider Aruba for my 2010 vacation, but if it is true, there is no way I am going to spend my tourist dollars in a place that has insensitive people like that! Like she said "don't they have children"! I can't even imagine acting like this. Because she called the 2 boys criminals? They are!! At the very least they lied about dropping her off at the hotel. But it doesn't even matter. Even if they were completely innocent, how can people treat a grieving mother that way? So, I ask, is it true? I am hoping it isn't because I was looking forward to going there. Thanks a bunch! Janet
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Shrinking Janet - as I mentioned earlier, I believe the movie was Beth Twitty's side of the story only. I do not believe the Arubian people would treat her with any disrespect - they have children also. I also remember reading in the papers many times that the Holiday Inn treated Natalee Hollway's family and entourage with respect and cart blanc. There could be a possibility that there were a few protestors - that happens everywhere - but no where near the amount as portrayed in that movie. I will always say the movie was biased. And I am sure there will be other movies made about Natalee Holloway and hopefully the truth does come out. But there are two sides to every story. The people of Aruba are extremely nice and very pleasant - imagine how they feel when she "verbally trashes them". Besides, now she is on a campaign to warn other traveling students about the dangers of travel.....she should have been on that band wagon with Natalee since she was old enough to understand. In my opinion it was a case of "unchaperoned - mommy and daddy at home - teenager on the loose" - yes we may have all been that way at one point in life, but we were smart enough to know the dangers.
I will continue to visit Aruba as my home away from home for as long as I can - and even then I will be in Aruba in my dreams......
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ok, as lead moderator of this board, i have a very suspicious nature and when someone signs up here and their first post seems to pitch a bitch about aruba i get a bit concerned. so just in case you are one of them, understand that this board doesn't take kindly to that. if you are really interested in aruba as a travel destination, you are more than welcome to stay.

as to aruba, the best part of aruba is the sensitivity of the residents. they are kind, considerate people and gave beth holloway more respect than could ever be dreamed of as she has torn apart a country and its people for several years now. did they picket, hell no! they treated her with respect. their bosses gave them time off with pay to join search parties. the hotels and restaurants gave her free room and board. they did hands around aruba where residents and tourists formed a huge line holding hands in unity, and then the arubans came back for more and were treated poorly again and again for something that was not their fault any more than it is your fault if someone in your city commits a crime.

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Ok, well after watching the movie I just have one question: Is it true that a crowd of people were picketing outside of Beth Holloways' hotel room with signs telling her to go home? Because if it is a complete lie then I am still going to consider Aruba for my 2010 vacation, but if it is true, there is no way I am going to spend my tourist dollars in a place that has insensitive people like that! Like she said "don't they have children"! I can't even imagine acting like this. Because she called the 2 boys criminals? They are!! At the very least they lied about dropping her off at the hotel. But it doesn't even matter. Even if they were completely innocent, how can people treat a grieving mother that way? So, I ask, is it true? I am hoping it isn't because I was looking forward to going there. Thanks a bunch! Janet
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Hi Linda,

I didn't see her trashing the Aruban people. But of course I am just going by the movie and did not keep up with the real events. I have no concerns about safety or even the police dept., etc. There is corruption and crime pretty much everywhere. But you can't blame Natalie for getting in the car with a killer. Or at the very least, a person who disposed of her body after the fact, etc... That is like saying someone who dresses like a slut deserves to be raped. Of course she shouldn't have gotten have gotten in the car! And the same thing could have happened anywhere! And it does! My only issue was the protesters because I have never seen anything like that before. Other than a relative or a family member on the news saying "Johnny is really a good kid, etc. " I have never seen private citizens actually picket a crime victim unless they are also a suspect in the dissapearance or something. So whether or not is was 10 people or 200, it was VERY disturbing.
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I can put your "suspicions" to rest. I actually watched the movie because I was hoping it was filmed in Aruba so I could get to see some things there. It just so happened I was planning this vacation starting a few weeks ago and the movie came up. But that one thing I saw destubed me so much I wanted to get an answer from people who would know what really happened. I haven't read the book the movie was based on and didn't follow the story closely enough to know what happened. But my guess is that by the answers or lack therof I did get my answer. And one more thing. Why "suspicous"? What possible motive would I have to ask the question if I didn't want to know the answer. And I couldn't ask the question unless I signed up to be on the board! Am I really the only one who has asked something like this?
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janet, creative minds altered a story that had already been butchered by fox and other cable gossip media. a country that latches on to a story like that when there was enough screwed up in our country at that time to scare the hell out of everyone was basically forced into it by having it drummed into their brains over and over again by that wonderful media hoping to get our minds off the ills of our own country.

aruba has faults but the decency of their citizens is not one of them. no protests occurred no matter how many times the holloway-twitty group and the hordes of media people hounded and destroyed them.

we need to give these people a break, turn off the foolishness that tv has shown us and worry about our own problems for a change. in the last few days my city and it surround areas has made national news twice for murder/suicides. it really is time we take care of our own and allow aruba some peace.


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I didn't see her trashing the Aruban people. But of course I am just going by the movie and did not keep up with the real events. I have no concerns about safety or even the police dept., etc. There is corruption and crime pretty much everywhere. But you can't blame Natalie for getting in the car with a killer. Or at the very least, a person who disposed of her body after the fact, etc... That is like saying someone who dresses like a slut deserves to be raped. Of course she shouldn't have gotten have gotten in the car! And the same thing could have happened anywhere! And it does! My only issue was the protesters because I have never seen anything like that before. Other than a relative or a family member on the news saying "Johnny is really a good kid, etc. " I have never seen private citizens actually picket a crime victim unless they are also a suspect in the dissapearance or something. So whether or not is was 10 people or 200, it was VERY disturbing.
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Sherry and Shrinking Janet - in no way am I here to "pitch a bitch" about Aruba. I love Aruba. My back goes up when anyone says something bad about Aruba. My point that I was trying to make about the movie is that it showed only what Beth Twitty wanted the viewers to think of Aruba. She is so wrong. Oh and by the way, has anyone seen Dr. Phil - on Friday he again mentioned the movie on his show and again said "everyone should boycott Aruba". Out of all the islands I have visited, I find Aruba to be the friendliest and cleanest island. I have been a timeshare owner for 10 years - do you honestly think I want something bad said about the island and its people that I consider to be my home away from home?
Sorry if you got the wrong impression; and after re-reading my first post, I can see how it happened. When I wrote that the movie made Aruba out to be the bad guys - I did not intend it to be that way. I should have worded that differently - I wanted to state that I was not happy with the movie at all, but somehow in typing it got worded wrongly.
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Ok, well after watching the movie I just have one question: Is it true that a crowd of people were picketing outside of Beth Holloways' hotel room with signs telling her to go home? Because if it is a complete lie then I am still going to consider Aruba for my 2010 vacation, but if it is true, there is no way I am going to spend my tourist dollars in a place that has insensitive people like that! Like she said "don't they have children"! I can't even imagine acting like this. Because she called the 2 boys criminals? They are!! At the very least they lied about dropping her off at the hotel. But it doesn't even matter. Even if they were completely innocent, how can people treat a grieving mother that way? So, I ask, is it true? I am hoping it isn't because I was looking forward to going there. Thanks a bunch! Janet
This is a very touchy subject with me. I wrote a very long response then decided to delete it. Let me just say that there are two sides to every story and the protests that were depicted in the movie, were a GROSS misrepresentation of what actually happened.

Give Aruba a fair chance; you will quickly learn why Aruba has the highest repeat visitor rate in the Caribbean. It is not just because of the beautiful beaches and glorious climate; it is because the island is populated with the kindest, most cordial and welcoming people in the world.

Okay, one comment about the summer of 2005: the people of Aruba were very, very good to the family of Natalee Holloway during that awful summer. I am personally acquainted with Dave and Robin Holloway and I have met Beth Holloway. They all acknowledge that the people of Aruba were wonderful to them and that the emotional support that they received on the island was a huge lift in allowing them to continue on during the most difficult times.
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PS. I am very dis-turbed to hear that the movie made up that part about the picketing! That is terrible and I am going to be giving them a piece of my mind as well. I know, I know, I don't have any to spare. But I am a mom and I was just horrified to see this. I wish I had felt a little more welcome asking my question here, but when I re-read it I see you did indeed answer it so thank you. Sorry I made you all suspicous. I will leave it alone now. Didin't think I would cause such a storm. I wasn't "pitching a bitch" or whatever you said about Arubu, I was asking a question.

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no you are not the only one janet, and forgive me if i have come on strong. i personally handled several thousand posts and hundreds of vile emails concerning the evilness of aruba. i was told things like arubans should all die because they allowed murderers in their country. one wanted the states to invade aruba! every time we think this insanity is over, some piece of scum film maker, or sensationalist news hound with no real news to work that day, starts it all over again. then i get asked by those i love in aruba, 'why? why is this happening again?' how do i answer these people that something is wrong with the american psyche that it can't let go of something like this. i am not downing natalee, nor have i ever, but i will say what many know, if this had been an ugly girl, an african american girl, an iraqi child, or for that matter, just a plain ordinary male teen, no one would have hear the story or the few who did would have brushed it off and gone on to ET to watch other gossip.

aruba is one of the most gentle places on earth with people who have shown americans a kindness that is rarely shown to our country. we have let it down terribly with the pain we have inflicted on it.

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I can put your "suspicions" to rest. I actually watched the movie because I was hoping it was filmed in Aruba so I could get to see some things there. It just so happened I was planning this vacation starting a few weeks ago and the movie came up. But that one thing I saw destubed me so much I wanted to get an answer from people who would know what really happened. I haven't read the book the movie was based on and didn't follow the story closely enough to know what happened. But my guess is that by the answers or lack therof I did get my answer. And one more thing. Why "suspicous"? What possible motive would I have to ask the question if I didn't want to know the answer. And I couldn't ask the question unless I signed up to be on the board! Am I really the only one who has asked something like this?
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Charlierat! Thank you so much! You have restored my faith somewhat about Aruba after the moderator pretty much accused me of signing in to do something nefarious. Still not sure what that would be... I think Linda thought that was directed toward her but I am sure it was for me. I work with a woman who goes to Aruba every year and her mother has a timeshare there and that is what she has told me as well. And I am very happy to hear what you said about about the Holloways. I was beginning to think she was Satan! LOL I am definitely putting Aruba back on my list.

Ok, now I really am going.
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Janet..as I mentioned earlier in this thread...it was filmed in South Africa..so unfortunately you didn't get to see the beauty that is Aruba. And since you didn't follow the case as it unfolded, you wouldn't have the ability to understand the anquish that this case caused to all the people involved. Not only did Beth Twitty suffer the disappearance of her daughter, but the people of Aruba, both the citizens and the police, had to go through something that they had never been through before. And as the months dragged on, the nerves of everyone on that island were stretched beyond their limits. Every measure was taken to try and solve this case, and the Twitty family was given much, much more than any other country would have given them. As of now, I haven't watched this movie...but I can tell you if there was any picketing, and I don't believe there was, it was only after much damage had been done to an island and it's people that didn't deserve it.
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I can put your "suspicions" to rest. I actually watched the movie because I was hoping it was filmed in Aruba so I could get to see some things there. It just so happened I was planning this vacation starting a few weeks ago and the movie came up. But that one thing I saw destubed me so much I wanted to get an answer from people who would know what really happened. I haven't read the book the movie was based on and didn't follow the story closely enough to know what happened. But my guess is that by the answers or lack therof I did get my answer. And one more thing. Why "suspicous"? What possible motive would I have to ask the question if I didn't want to know the answer. And I couldn't ask the question unless I signed up to be on the board! Am I really the only one who has asked something like this?
I hope you realized that the entire movie was shot in South Africa. Not one minute of the footage was filmed on Aruba. As for the plot and story-line, it was the creation of Hollywood screen-writers. It really didn't even follow the plot and story-line of Beth Holloway's book Loving Natalee.

And I hope you also understand that, after everything that Arubans did to give aid and comfort to the family of Natalee Holloway, Beth Holloway called for a boycott of the island. She has since backed off that position somewhat but there is a small army of people out there that still think that the entire island of Aruba needs to be punished because the Natalee Holloway case remains unsolved. This message board is occasionally infiltrated by boycott supporters and, to put it bluntly, we are all kind of sensitive to that phenomenon.
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linda, sorry, i was in no way worried about you. i know already of your love of aruba. i suppose i had a knee jerk reaction to janet and i have apologized for it. it has been a long several years and i think this movie was the straw that broke for me. you don't know me well but only rarely do i 'lose it'. this was one of those times. i do apologize to you.

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Sherry and Shrinking Janet - in no way am I here to "pitch a bitch" about Aruba. I love Aruba. My back goes up when anyone says something bad about Aruba. My point that I was trying to make about the movie is that it showed only what Beth Twitty wanted the viewers to think of Aruba. She is so wrong. Oh and by the way, has anyone seen Dr. Phil - on Friday he again mentioned the movie on his show and again said "everyone should boycott Aruba". Out of all the islands I have visited, I find Aruba to be the friendliest and cleanest island. I have been a timeshare owner for 10 years - do you honestly think I want something bad said about the island and its people that I consider to be my home away from home?
Sorry if you got the wrong impression; and after re-reading my first post, I can see how it happened. When I wrote that the movie made Aruba out to be the bad guys - I did not intend it to be that way. I should have worded that differently - I wanted to state that I was not happy with the movie at all, but somehow in typing it got worded wrongly.
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Charlierat! Thank you so much! You have restored my faith somewhat about Aruba after the moderator pretty much accused me of signing in to do something nefarious. Still not sure what that would be... I think Linda thought that was directed toward her but I am sure it was for me. I work with a woman who goes to Aruba every year and her mother has a timeshare there and that is what she has told me as well. And I am very happy to hear what you said about about the Holloways. I was beginning to think she was Satan! LOL I am definitely putting Aruba back on my list.

Ok, now I really am going.
Great to hear!! You posted this while I was typing my last post but I am definitely glad to hear that Aruba is back on the list. You will love it!!

Now, let's get down to more important stuff. Do you have any questions? Folks around here love to talk about One Happy Island. Want to know where to eat (or where not to eat) or which tours to take (or not)? Ask us.
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sherry, it was quite obvious to me that Linda was not the concern... and, like you, I know how much she loves Aruba and its people.

As the least senior moderator, last hired, first fired, I find it strange that a new poster joins the board, someone who says they're thinking of taking their first trip to Aruba, and zings in on a Natalee Holloway thread instead of asking real questions about the island itself... places to stay, places to go, restaurants, and the like. It's even stranger to me that someone would be more concerned about Arubans picketing then other things that were portrayed in the "movie" like drugs or perhaps collusion as was insinuated... And, stranger still, because the picketing didn't happen, and because Charlie posted what he did, this person is now going to make the trip. I call bullsh*t when I see it, and this fits the bill perfectly. Don't question yourself, or second guess yourself, sherry ~ your instinct is right on target. My "hinky" meter immediately went off.

One's love for Aruba, and one's questioning of this case and how it was handled are two distinctly different things; one has absolutely nothing to do with the other. You can love the island, and yet still have questions, but to persecute all Arubans, and an entire island is what I find incorrigible, and will go one on one with anyone who says differently, and tries to put everyone and everything under one umbrella.

This case centers around 3 individuals who were not born on Aruba... are not Aruban, but simply live there. I'm sure that for two of them, it's not a warm and cozy place anymore... and one of them has been asked, or it has been "suggested," that he not return. Just as in our country... "we the people," in reality, have little to say about how our government is run day to day, not always to our liking or bills that are passed, not always to our liking, the Arubans face the same thing... Whatever happened to or with Natalee Holloway.... what was or wasn't done to find a resolution... has absolutely nothing to do with the "we the people" of Aruba who tried to help, who cried with Natalee's family, who gave of themselves only to be demonized. I can't tell you how many times I said I was sorry for the actions and words of some Americans... ugly in the true sense. And, I'll continue to say it for as long as some Americans continue to try and trash the island and people that I love; truly my second home.





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linda, sorry, i was in no way worried about you. i know already of your love of aruba. i suppose i had a knee jerk reaction to janet and i have apologized for it. it has been a long several years and i think this movie was the straw that broke for me. you don't know me well but only rarely do i 'lose it'. this was one of those times. i do apologize to you.
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elaine, as lead moderator i am supposed to maintain my cool and set the example while keeping my personal opinion to myself when i have no proof. i didn't do that job. second guessing myself isn't the point. sometimes i need to keep my big mouth or fast typing fingers)silent and let a scenario play out. again i failed in that. my instincts are usually spot on but again, instinct is not proof. so for those reasons, i have sent janet a note of apology and because none of it was directed at linda but she felt it was, i did the same with her because she deserved better.

also, i owe the members an apology for those behaviors. so i do apologize to all who read this thread.

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sherry, it was quite obvious to me that Linda was not the concern... and, like you, I know how much she loves Aruba and its people.

As the least senior moderator, last hired, first fired, I find it strange that a new poster joins the board, someone who says they're thinking of taking their first trip to Aruba, and zings in on a Natalee Holloway thread instead of asking real questions about the island itself... places to stay, places to go, restaurants, and the like. It's even stranger to me that someone would be more concerned about Arubans picketing then other things that were portrayed in the "movie" like drugs or perhaps collusion as was insinuated... And, stranger still, because the picketing didn't happen, and because Charlie posted what he did, this person is now going to make the trip. I call bullsh*t when I see it, and this fits the bill perfectly. Don't question yourself, or second guess yourself, sherry ~ your instinct is right on target. My "hinky" meter immediately went off.

One's love for Aruba, and one's questioning of this case and how it was handled are two distinctly different things; one has absolutely nothing to do with the other. You can love the island, and yet still have questions, but to persecute all Arubans, and an entire island is what I find incorrigible, and will go one on one with anyone who says differently, and tries to put everyone and everything under one umbrella.

This case centers around 3 individuals who were not born on Aruba... are not Aruban, but simply live there. I'm sure that for two of them, it's not a warm and cozy place anymore... and one of them has been asked, or it has been "suggested," that he not return. Just as in our country... "we the people," in reality, have little to say about how our government is run day to day, not always to our liking or bills that are passed, not always to our liking, the Arubans face the same thing... Whatever happened to or with Natalee Holloway.... what was or wasn't done to find a resolution... has absolutely nothing to do with the "we the people" of Aruba who tried to help, who cried with Natalee's family, who gave of themselves only to be demonized. I can't tell you how many times I said I was sorry for the actions and words of some Americans... ugly in the true sense. And, I'll continue to say it for as long as some Americans continue to try and trash the island and people that I love; truly my second home.
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sherry ~ even if you never win another race, you'll always be my horse! Sometimes it's good to be a follower, and not a leader... as I said, last hired, first fired!
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I did not see the movie. I love Aruba and have been going there for the past nine years. The people are wonderful!!
I do have a couple of opinions.

1. What kind of "loving" mother lets their beautiful, teenage daughter travel to a foreign country virtually unsupervised to party? I wouldn't even let my daughter (when she was a teenager) go to places in our OWN country.

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elaine, as lead moderator i am supposed to maintain my cool and set the example while keeping my personal opinion to myself when i have no proof. i didn't do that job. second guessing myself isn't the point. sometimes i need to keep my big mouth or fast typing fingers)silent and let a scenario play out. again i failed in that. my instincts are usually spot on but again, instinct is not proof. so for those reasons, i have sent janet a note of apology and because none of it was directed at linda but she felt it was, i did the same with her because she deserved better.

also, i owe the members an apology for those behaviors. so i do apologize to all who read this thread.
Sherry, as far as I'm concerned, you're instincts were spot on with this and I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way. You saw a first post from a person trying to stir the pot. Your response was appropriate.

We've all seen, heard, and read how this tragedy affected the island. IMHO, blaming everyone and boycotting the island is Beth Twitty's way of trying to deal with her own guilt for allowing her daughter to take a trip that she obviously wasn't adequately prepared for.

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thank you droy and bobbie. some days i walk a tightrope and some days i fall off of it.

bobbie, although i was a very strict parent on most things (ask my kids, lol) most of my friends thought group trips were more than safe for their kids. i know it was a calmer time in our world but parents today often think that they are doing the right thing allowing their children to be part of the crowd. i can't totally blame beth for thinking that her child was among friends with adults she knew present to protect them. she did what a large number of parents would do.

maybe, as horrible as this is, it has taught us something about the world and our children. the lessons are often cruel but the loss of a daughter has save many others who's parents think twice and say 'no'. not much consolation to natalee's family unfortunately but maybe a lifesaver for others.

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I did not see the movie. I love Aruba and have been going there for the past nine years. The people are wonderful!!
I do have a couple of opinions.

1. What kind of "loving" mother lets their beautiful, teenage daughter travel to a foreign country virtually unsupervised to party? I wouldn't even let my daughter (when she was a teenager) go to places in our OWN country.

2. Sherry is the BEST moderator. She is totally dedicated to Aruba and this board. I have lurked on other boards and IMHO, Sherry is the BEST!

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Apology accepted and please don't be too hard on yourself. This was an unfortunate incident that has affected everyone, and will continue to have an affect on everyone for many years to come. Aruba is a wonderful place to visit and I hope everyone enjoys Aruba as much as we do.

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thank you droy and bobbie. some days i walk a tightrope and some days i fall off of it.
sherry, my dear friend, nobody walks that rope as carefully as you do, and does it as well. As you know, one of the reasons I was hesitant to join the team as a moderator is that my personality doesn't allow me to be as gracious as you always seem to be in finding the right words ~ more aptly, the kind words. I'm that mother hen.... and, I can't help but put out there exactly how I feel, especially when someone or something I love is questioned in a way that I believe is insincere... I've been that way since I joined this board many years ago, and simply because Moderator is under my name, (of course I don't know how much longer it will be... lol) it doesn't change the fact that I am who I am.
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thank you droy and bobbie. some days i walk a tightrope and some days i fall off of it.

bobbie, although i was a very strict parent on most things (ask my kids, lol) most of my friends thought group trips were more than safe for their kids. i know it was a calmer time in our world but parents today often think that they are doing the right thing allowing their children to be part of the crowd. i can't totally blame beth for thinking that her child was among friends with adults she knew present to protect them. she did what a large number of parents would do.

maybe, as horrible as this is, it has taught us something about the world and our children. the lessons are often cruel but the loss of a daughter has save many others who's parents think twice and say 'no'. not much consolation to natalee's family unfortunately but maybe a lifesaver for others.
Sherry, I have 2 daughters who are now grown with children. I was a chaperone on 4 trips with the 2 of them in high school. These were just 1 day trips to Six Flags and Worlds of fun. start at 5am on a bus and return at midnight. We had 6 chaperones per bus and 2 busses. About 80 kids with 12 parents and teachers. We had all we could do just to keep things staight for 1 day. I cant imagine being 1 of 7 or 8 chaperones for 130 or whatever the number was high school students on an island where they are of legal drinking and gambling age for a week. It is not possible for that small number to have any control.
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Any one that remotely knows me knows that I have a history with this unfortunate situation and have not only taken it very much to heart but have also gone through great losses in my personal and business life as a result of the voluntary assistance I gave at the onset. This is not a "Chest beating" statement, but more as a qualifier. Further, it should be said that my participation to assist was a drop in the bucket in comparison with what others did.

We live in a funny world. Maybe not so funny.

as an example:
If I ever feel down for any reason at all and think that my chips are running low, I can just turn on the TV and listen to hours on end about the death and garbage bagging of a child and the misery of a small town in Florida as well as, the suspected young mother with the protective parents. Would this melodrama exist if (for example) everyone involved said,

"You know what? Let's air this mess with absolutely no commercials and inform the staff that this is good for the public and they will not be paid. community service sort of thing"
I don't think so.

But .. Let's move on - What about the children or even adults that tune in to the reality of children dying and being raped and killed by mothers that teach Church Sunday School?

These are such wonderful stimulants for parents of children looking forward to a day of worship and leaving the kids to learn about their "Maker".

Something is grossly out of balance.

By the way, what happened to the "Nelson Family and to Gene Autry? Leave it to Beaver Got left and the Lone Ranger is very much alone - as are both is Tonto and Silver.

Maybe I'm a dreamer and maybe I need to get in step with the horror around me but.... be assured that ....

I, and many thousands of people like me will always refuse to believe that today is wonderful because of the media and money is not a huge motivator. I also feel that what I saw on TV was a disgrace to -
Not Aruba
Not the police
Not beth
but
It was a masterful disgrace to a blonde young lady that made some bad choices. Her God will have already forgiven her for those choices and the rest of us cashing in on her will have to make up a fine story for that Golden Gate moment.

(I am not spouting religion, it just serves as such a fine example sometimes)

Be well (all of us) may we be ever so well

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charles, what a great question!

there are so many terrible things in the reality of this from all aspects. my heart suffers for the losses by all involved. however, your question is one i have asked myself but never so eloquently.

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I sincerely believe that everyone, Arabians, Americans, and other world travelers and vacationers and most of all the Halloway family just wants closure to this matter and they should be able to get it. It would be in the best interest for all.
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sherry, it was quite obvious to me that Linda was not the concern... and, like you, I know how much she loves Aruba and its people.

As the least senior moderator, last hired, first fired, I find it strange that a new poster joins the board, someone who says they're thinking of taking their first trip to Aruba, and zings in on a Natalee Holloway thread instead of asking real questions about the island itself... places to stay, places to go, restaurants, and the like. It's even stranger to me that someone would be more concerned about Arubans picketing then other things that were portrayed in the "movie" like drugs or perhaps collusion as was insinuated... And, stranger still, because the picketing didn't happen, and because Charlie posted what he did, this person is now going to make the trip. I call bullsh*t when I see it, and this fits the bill perfectly. Don't question yourself, or second guess yourself, sherry ~ your instinct is right on target. My "hinky" meter immediately went off.

One's love for Aruba, and one's questioning of this case and how it was handled are two distinctly different things; one has absolutely nothing to do with the other. You can love the island, and yet still have questions, but to persecute all Arubans, and an entire island is what I find incorrigible, and will go one on one with anyone who says differently, and tries to put everyone and everything under one umbrella.

This case centers around 3 individuals who were not born on Aruba... are not Aruban, but simply live there. I'm sure that for two of them, it's not a warm and cozy place anymore... and one of them has been asked, or it has been "suggested," that he not return. Just as in our country... "we the people," in reality, have little to say about how our government is run day to day, not always to our liking or bills that are passed, not always to our liking, the Arubans face the same thing... Whatever happened to or with Natalee Holloway.... what was or wasn't done to find a resolution... has absolutely nothing to do with the "we the people" of Aruba who tried to help, who cried with Natalee's family, who gave of themselves only to be demonized. I can't tell you how many times I said I was sorry for the actions and words of some Americans... ugly in the true sense. And, I'll continue to say it for as long as some Americans continue to try and trash the island and people that I love; truly my second home.
Elaine, you truely brought tears to my eyes reading your post. Why tears?? Well, just to know how much you appreciate Aruba and Arubans. How much you really know and became to love Aruba and its people. How close Aruba is and Arubans are to your heart. There are no words to describe how thankful and appreciative we as Arubans are to you and to people like you.

I know you and Sherry knows the pain that we Arubans went through with this incident, and you know what my thoughts are about this. If people took the chance of knowing the Arubans our thoughts and opinions may be similar. It ain't fair to what happened to Natalee and what her family is going through, but it also ain't fair to have a country pay the consequences for what was not in its control.

Sherry, like Donald Trump says "Never give yourself up for a mistake." You reacted based on your past experiences. So your intuition told you what and how to react. You're the Queen!!!

Hugs and Kisses to all Aruba Lovers.

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Just my two cents:

1) As a college administrator, one "good" thing that came out of the tragedy is that many local colleges are now looking into their requirements of school sponsored trips. I know that this is college and not high school, but the main problem is our legal "rights" over an 18 year old, which most HS seniors and college freshman are. We are not legally able to "chaperone" but we are starting to rewrite the contracts that the students and now some PARENTS have to sign before the trip, regarding some behavior. Meetings are now required before the trip with open discussion.

2) I watched instead "The Courageous Heart of Irena Sendler". I am sorry more people didn't see this incredible story, one of the best movies I have ever seen on TV, because of the publicity of the movie about Natalie.

Ok, done now!
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Ommie, YOU always warm my heart. YOU are the perfect example of why those of us on this board adore Arubans and Aruba. YOU are the perfect example of why those of us on this board will not allow anyone to berate the good people. YOU humble me.

P.S. The women can leave in the kisses!
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Elaine, you truely brought tears to my eyes reading your post. Why tears?? Well, just to know how much you appreciate Aruba and Arubans. How much you really know and became to love Aruba and its people. How close Aruba is and Arubans are to your heart. There are no words to describe how thankful and appreciative we as Arubans are to you and to people like you.

I know you and Sherry knows the pain that we Arubans went through with this incident, and you know what my thoughts are about this. If people took the chance of knowing the Arubans our thoughts and opinions may be similar. It ain't fair to what happened to Natalee and what her family is going through, but it also ain't fair to have a country pay the consequences for what was not in its control.

Sherry, like Donald Trump says "Never give yourself up for a mistake." You reacted based on your past experiences. So your intuition told you what and how to react. You're the Queen!!!

Hugs and Kisses to all Aruba Lovers.

P.S. The men can leave out the kisses.
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I just wanted to say that I saw the movie, and I do not know a whole lot about the case and I have never visited Aruba or did any studies on it to see what it's like.
I watched the movie, and I have to say I saw both sides of it all. I would still visit Aruba and not be scared. I think they depicted a lot about how safe Aruba is in that movie. It was repeated a lot, that they never have this happen there. That kids get drunk, and turn up a few days later. Her mother never once accused the town of Aruba of being bad or anything. So, IMHO it doesn't show that Aruba is bad at all. It has nothing to do with where it's at IMHO. She went off with boys she didn't know that was her mistake, (she doesn't deserve to die of that though), and also the boys that killed her or the one boy that killed her wasn't even from Aruba he just had moved there for Holland. I do not see how this movie showed bias on any one person. I see it as a whole, and thought the movie showed a lot. I think there is a bit of confusion because it goes back and forth with Van Der Floot? Saying he did it, then letting him go, and then him confessing on tape. But maybe that's how things went down IDK I have to go read about the case.
Going to do that now.
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